>> thank you for watching this saturday edition of "fox & friends first." student all through the day for our coverage of the school tragedy. it continues in connecticut now with "fox & friends." ♪ ♪ >> the shooting appears to have stopped. the school is in lockdown. you are requested to stay. i will need two ambulances at this time. be advised, multiple weapons including long rifles and

shotguns. >> what is the number of ambulances you will require? >> they're not giving us a number. >> sandy hook and ladder, medical emergency. >> good morning, everyone. we appreciate you joining us on this very sad morning. it's great to have steve and brian here with me. it's a terrible morning but we do have more information to impart to you and some people want to know how this could happen in newtown connecticut and how 20 little innocent kids could be murdered. we have more information about the shooter and family mystery. >> we do. before we get started let's look at the coverage of the tabloids here in new york city. america weeps. there is the president of the united states. he shed a couple of tears in the briefing room yesterday. slaughter of the innocence. and a picture you saw a lot of yesterday from the beup in

newtown yesterday where a police officer leads those children single file out of sandy hook school. >> so many horrific elements to this story but i think the worst for me is the fact that there are 20 kids dead between the ages of 5 and 10 years old and as we learn more about the shooter, it seems as though there were clues he was capable of doing this. >> there will be an update at 8:00 this morning with the authorities. >> all right. peter doocy meanwhile is live in sandy hook for us with the very latest details. good morning, peter. tell us what you have learned overnight. >> alisyn, we learned that the medical examiner's office has been working all night long inside sandy hook elementary school. they are trying to have the 20 children and six adults who were murdered inside yesterday during school identified by today. now, the killer who carried out this sick crime. 20-year-old adam lanza murdered his mother before he showed up here. most of the deceased were

found inside just two classrooms at a school that most parents thought was secure. >> sandy hook school, caller is indicating she thinks there is someone shooting in the building. we know that three of the guns used yesterday were legally purchased by adam lanza's mother who did become his first victim. adam lanza's father and brother were questioned and cleared yesterday but not clear still is a motive and not easy is trying to deal with what happened in this quiet connecticut town. >> are you trying to find your child, ma'am? >> no my girlfriend daughter

my babysitter. her and my little daughter are like best friends and they just told us to go -- if you can't find your children, they are dead in the building. >> and governor dan maloy said evil visited this community yesterday and from everything that we have heard and seen he was right. back to you in new york. >> peter, before you go, there was a report by another media outlet in the 10:00 hour last night that apparently they were calling the parents in to identify the bodies of their children. have you heard that? >> the reports that we have heard are that the parents -- rather, the police set up a makeshift morgue inside the school and photographed the children and they were showing the parents photographs of their children to identify them. >> they want to reconstruct

what happened and it's a painstaking process because they are going to have one shot at it to find out what took place. who is the suspect? >> he did it. he is the shooter. >> he is adam lanza. he is 2 o0 years old. we do know. this it seems he is thought to be by neighbors, by family members. either mildly autistic or a little bit somewhat off they say. according to one of his former classmates and who happens to be a neighbor timothy dalton as horrible as this was, quote i can't say i'm surprised burn in hell, adam. >> yet, there are lots of conflicting reports as can you imagine about who he is his brother at one time there was confusion during the day yesterday as to whether it was adam lanza or ryan lanza an i.d. was found in the school that said ryan lanza people thought that was the shooter when in fact his brother was in hoboken at work.

his brother said he was autistic or had as berger's spectrum. very high functioning, in fact, he has been described as a genius. he has been described as an honors student. he has been described as kind of a tech geek, a computer nerd. >> a gamer. >> a gamer. >> technology, having game parties. a picture of him is emerging. very confused because some people describe him as remote. it's maybe hard to get a handle on exactly what his personality issue was. >> you know what? and there was the -- you know, the misinformation that it was ryan lands but according to the "new york times" today talked about how the brothers had not spoken or seen each other in a couple of years. last saw his brother in 2010. i don't know how much good information is he going to get about the shooter from the brother who lives in hoboken.

>> divorced officially in 2009. separated in 2008. the parents where the mom is living in newtown and the dad is living in new jersey. >> and of course he killed his mother before taking her car and then driving to the school. we have more on that chronology as well. >> and then leaving with her guns which were all obtained legally. they had permits. >> moments ago the fbi just cleared the suspect's family as we just mentioned including his father and older brother ryan who was initially mistaken as his brother adam the gunman briefly cuffed. anna kooiman joins us now from hoboken, new jersey. anna, what do we no know about the lanza family. >> we can tell you quite a bit of information, brian, good morning to you and good morning to everybody at home. we are standing in front of the building that is apparently the home of the shooter's brother 24-year-old ryan lanza, he lived here with two other people. we were here yesterday and last night and watched as cops rolled up the tape that had been incircling the building about 10:00 last night.

yes it may be quiet now but a completely different scene yesterday. all sorts of confusion and chaos and some of that stemming from reports that there was someone murdered inside this apartment building and it was even possibly the father of the brothers peter lanza. we do have a reliable source and the fbi telling us no, that is not the case and that the father was questioned by fbi agents last night. that source also telling us that ryan yesterday afternoon did not know about everything coming here, seeing his apartment incircled by police. he was then handcuffed and taken away. the reason for some of this confusion may have stemmed because the shooter adam lanza was carrying ryan lanza's i.d. and, of course, residents here in hoboken are really on edge, especially yesterday, thinking that a mass murderer may have been living among them. >> it was obviously scary to see that someone that could commit some act like this is living amongst you. you are walking probably in the same neighborhood.

i don't know the pinner -- person personally. obviously probably crossed paths from time to time and that's awful. >> well, the fbi says that the brother and the father have been cleared and possibly may be on their way back to connecticut. that's where peter lanza lived. he did get remarried and lives with his wife there. they in stanford. although not being a suspect, ryan's computer and phone records are being searched. that was taken out of the apartment yesterday. and ryan as mentioned has been cooperating with police guys, and has mentioned that his brother adam possibly did have a personality disorder and mild autism. back to you. >> shepard: all right, anna, thank you very much. not too long ago the principal at sandy hook school sent out a letter to the parents of the school and said we're installing a new security system. going forward what they are going to do is they would have to buzz a doorbell at the front of the only open -- the only access point in the school the front door. all the other doors are going

to be locked. according to a report in the "new york times" this morning, apparently this shooter adam lanza went up to the door, rang the buzzer and the principal realized oh, that's nancy lanza's son. i recognize him. i'm going to let him in. and it was just a couple minutes later that she actually confronted him in the hall and he shot her dead. >> here is why there is a little bit of problem with that story in that supposedly she was in a conference with the school psychologist and with another parent. so at that time is the principal really the one who has to in the middle of a conference meeting hit a button and cue somebody in. and nancy we understand the mom latest reports was she wasn't working there. saw a report in the daily news today that she had stopped working in order to deal with adam full time. >> that was just a picture of the principal. i think what they do is they have a surveillance camera with a little tv screen. >> office buzzes them in. if they look relatively normal

and of course he wasn't wearing i'm sure the ski mask or whatever it was at that time. let's talk about the stories of some heroism and profound carrying that the teachers took over inside the school when the gunfire broke out. there is a story of a first grade teacher her name is katelyn roig. had 14 kids in her class. morning meeting. elementary school. kids you sit around in the morning and talk about what your day is going to be like. during morning meeting they heard gunshots. the teacher didn't know what was happening she knew something bad was happening. she barricaded her door with whatever sort of rolling cart is available. there is a bathroom in the 3rd grade classroom. she took her 14 kids into the bathroom and locked the bathroom door. some of the kids had to get up on the toilet and she just told them you need to be extremely quiet in here, something bad is happening. let's listen to her. >> i put one of my students on top of the toilet. i just knew we had to get in

there i was telling them it's going to be okay. you are going to be all right. i had pulled the book shelf before i closed the door in front of it so we were completely barricaded in. i turned the lights off. >> did you tell them to be quiet. >> yeah. >> did you worry about them. >> i told them to be quiet. i told them we had to be absolutely quiet because i was just so afraid if he did come in and hear us and maybe just start shooting the door. i said we have to be absolutely quiet. and we i said there is a bad guy out there now we need to wait for the good guy. [crying] i wanted us to be okay. i'm so saddened that there are people who in this situation are not okay. and my heart goes out to anyone who knew them and was part of their lives. i can't imagine. >> steve: you can't imagine. there are also stories of heroism a school janitor realized what was happening. ran up and down the halls telling people lock your doors.

from the inside. >> it's hard to imagine how this could be worse but apparently it could be worse if these teachers hadn't taken action. you never know how you are going it respond in one of these life altering situations. >> with it classrooms, three minutes, unbelievable the amount of damage and trauma he has caused. we're going to be here for the next four hours and of course have continuing coverage through the day. straight ahead your child didn't need to be at the scene of the shooting to be traumatized. just hearing about it can be traumatic. as a parent what do you do and advise? dr. mark stealing here live next. this holiday, share everything. share "not even close."

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violence and adults by the way. dr. marc siegel is an associate professor of medicine at nyu's medical center and author of the book false alarm the truth will the epidemic of fear. doctor, great to have you. >> good morning, alisyn. >> alisyn: let's start with the kids who were at the school. this will have a lifelong impact on them. >> there is no question about that that child we just showed had tremendous courage the way that he was able to walk out of there and did what he was told to do and his patients should be so proud of him. but the problem is that 77% of the kids that were in that school are going to have post-traumatic stress disorder and 35% of the kids and just in the neighborhood, living in the neighborhood. >> alisyn: meaning those statistics based upon previous tragedies, generally you can figure out how many will have acute symptoms after that. >> absolutely. that's these statistics put together by the veterans administration. this is what it means. it's going to interfere with their play. it means they are going to put the events together backwards. in other words, they are going to think that maybe something

happened in advance that might have caused this to happen. this is how things kid. aggressive at play, sad at play. they may have trouble sleeping. they may have trouble with depression. this can go on for months. luckily, alisyn, therapy works on this. behavioral therapy works which targets the trauma and helps kids work through it. it is effective. i'm also concerned about people around the country who are watching this. >> alisyn: let's talk about that obviously that's the let direct kind of trauma but it's trauma none the less. i have friends from all over the country calling knowing that we live in this general area and they're devastated. people can't pull themselves away from the tv. they can't stop crying. there is trauma everywhere today. >> i have two points about this alisyn. first of all people have to return to their regular lives. they can't obsess even on our reports. they can't teach their kids to worry. i think we have to role model our kids to be common. teach our kids empathy for the people who were involved. empathy for the victims. let's care about what happened to the people there and not

talk about our own schools, which statistically remain enormously safe. we're reporting too much on should reramp up security in schools across the country? these tragedies are very rare. let's talk about how courage uses the same centers of the brain that fear does. let's replace our fear today with courage and caring. >> alisyn: how do you teach your kids empathy. >> you show it yourselves. if you are out there caring for the people who were in schools rather than worrying about your own life kids pick up on that. if they see you as calm. we have to all be role models for our children. so today turn off the television if your children are around. we never give that recommendation. if kids are around. put the newspapers aside. put the radio off. you put the tv off and you just try to be as compassionate with them as possible. >> alisyn, answer their questions. they are going to ask you about this today. answer them. don't try to shy away from it. but, don't immerse them in it and don't make them think it's going to happen to them.

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sandy hook it updated requiring visits to ring a bell. somebody would ring them. in still the unthinkable happened yesterday. what should schools be doing right now to prepare and protect their students? a former detective for the new york city police department and he is a security expert as well. harry, thanks for coming in on this saturday morning. >> good morning. >> steve: terrible story. we don't know what the reaction plan was at the school we do know they had recently in-stored a new doorbell. >> a doorbell is nice but in a situation like this you basically need what's called the emergency action plan. this is a special plan that you set up in the event an attack like this occurs. this way your people know how to react. you know, i saw a lot of people on tv yesterday, especially the teachers, okay, that were talking about how they reacted much when something happens. it's just like a fire drill. you know, putting an emergency

action plan together is key they need to know how to react when something like this occurs. all right? so the teachers need to be trained, all right. the rest of the school staff needs to be trained. >> steve: sure. >> all right. and you have got to work in conjunction with the police department on how to react to something like this. >> steve: it does sound like they had the right idea. the janitor apparently selflessly ran up and down the halls telling the teachers to lock the doors from the inside and apparently somebody keyed the intercom, the public address system. >> that's right. >> steve: from the office so that people could hear the screams and shooting as well and perhaps that actually saved some lives. >> it probably definitely did. the first two minutes are the most important time in an active shooter attack. that's when most of the damage occurred. i was listening to some of the radio transmissions from the police department yesterday it seems like by the time the police officers already arrived that the shooter had already killed himself.

if that's what happened. >> steve: do you think schools should have armed guards. >> yes, without a doubt. you know, we have them here in new york. it would probably take nothing for one police officer to be around the school area between 9:00 and 3:30 in the afternoon. >> steve: just a local police officer. >> that would be part of his duty. >> exactly not to stand in front of the school. ideally, you would want a security person who was in plain clothes because even if you had somebody armed in a uniform, the active shooter would probably know who he is just by and then just shoot him first. >> steve: harry, it's a sad situation to think that we would have to have armed guards at our schools. in this particular town i have been up in that area it's ideal lick, beautiful. last place you would think something like this would happen. >> exactly. we live in a different world today. you know, people need to understand that. you know. >> steve: there are just evil people out there. >> yes, there are. and this guy was a sociopath.

everybody is trying to figure out why this guy would do something like this. all right, the bottom line is only a sociopath could understand what this guy did. you and i are just heart broken over this. >> indeed. harry a real pleasure. thank you so much for joining u. sorry it had to be these circumstances. sandy hook's principal heard gunshots, ran toward them. her story next. [ roasting firewood ]

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♪ ♪ >> churches in newtown were filled last night. hundreds of newtown residents gathering for a memorial service. so many people. some even had to stand outside. 26

it just does not seem like it's even possible. >> there is no words. it's shear terror and a sense of immood i can't tell urgency and, you know, to get to your child and to be there to protect them. >> i got an emergency phone call that there had been a shooting but they didn't say where. and that the schools were on lockdown. i got an text a.p. shooting at the school sandy hook. i thought oh my god. i went to the school there were some historical moms that i knew and i said what's going on? she said the principal is dead and that children came out with blood. >> we're coping. we're still trying to find out, you know, what's going

on. it's a little nerve wracking. as you can tell behind us we do have a few more cars pulling in at this time. how many shooters? how many people are injured? >> she was in a small class, a reading group and they started hearing, i guess bangs and her teacher which i'm so grateful for there was just a small group, they rushed the kids into the bathroom and they locked the door and they just told the children that it was hammering and tried to keep them calm and the next thing i know because it's very hard to get complete story. the next thing i know is that the police came in and they were knocking on the door to be let out of the classroom and when they were she had seen glass and blood.

i understand that child's face. >> later on she was talking about how, you know, while she was walking down the hallway, the police told them to close their eyes because, i mean obviously it was a very sensitive scene. and she said she heard gunshots and -- actually, what she told me was in the beginning the intercom came on and that she heard a scream on the intercom around the school. and the intercom went immediately off. and i'm not sure the specifics of how the school got locked down but she did hear schemes on the intercom and gunshots.nge this. it's senseless. it doesn't. but our hearts are with everybody. everybody, every parent. every mother, father, grandfather, grandmother, brother, sister right now for all the other children. >> everybody seems to be doing okay. but, you know, couple friends that we haven't been able to get in touch with them. you know, we hope everything is okay with that.

>> steve: what a day yesterday was. and that last picture of the little boy walking out in the police officer's coat. in that, you heard one young man talk a little bit about how somebody in the office apparently pushed down the button for the intercom we were talking to harry haulk. it may have been the principal. whoever it was pushed it down long enough so the entire school heard the commotion at the front of the school. everybody heard on the intercom. that may have actually saved some lives. immediately teachers heard that thought something was wrong and started locking doors. >> think about that, too. it's worth -- it's worth the damage done but then you get to hear the horror as it unfolds on all the speakers in the classrooms. you react to it but you still take it in. >> it allowed them to barricade themselves in the room which was obviously helpful. we need to talk about the principal. a i don't mean 27 years old. dawn hocksprung i hope i'm

saying that right. described as incredibly dedicated and passionate educator. she had a twitter stream. she would apparently send out messages all the time about the things that she was excited about at school, the way she was excited to welcome new kindergartners this year into the class. i think the quote was i'm so excited that they have a lifetime of learning ahead of them. she is -- one of the things that she is noted for today is that she installed this new security system. and the way it works. the way it works in most public schools is that there is a camera at the front door. the door is locked. you have to buzz even as a parent you buzz and then somebody gives like a visual identification in the room and buzz -- in the office and buzzes you in. of course, when people are busy, and you are not expecting a mass murderer, people probably, absent mindedly buzz people in all the time. we don't know what the situation was yesterday. obviously we can assume the gunman wasn't wearing combat camo head gear when he buzzed.

but this just happens all the time that, you know, you think it's a parent and also we had heard that the principal recognized him, adam lanza somehow because perhaps his mother was connected to the school. >> "new york times." i give so much credit to the principal when you hear gun shots a lot of people would say duck and cover. she and the psychiatrist, school psychiatrist who was going to according to one report retire at the end of this year walk out towards the gunshots and then she was killed. what kind of person was she? we mentioned about the tweets. she would be somebody that would be silly. i remember principals far removed from kids. oh my goodness. >> scary. >> she would dress in silly outfits on wednesdays. wacky wednesdays where they encouraged kids to dress in a funny, crazy way. so she was somebody that people could really relate to that was really pumped up to do her job on a daily basis. a the love the kids were evidently asking their moms how was the principal.

>> steve: it was apparently her idea to install this door buzzer. ali was talking about the safety drill. here is a tweet she sent out on october 17th. safety first at sandy hook. it's a beautiful day for our annual evacuation drill. they also had included on the tweet an image of that. when it was time for the installation of the new doorbell did send out a letter to the parents and said, quote: please understand that with nearly 700 students and over 1,000 parents representing 500 families most parents will be asked to show identification. that is you ring the doorbell and then you might have to show some identification. but as we detailed this morning there is a report from the "new york times" today that apparently she recognized the shooter because that was nancy's son. she knew nancy. nancy was a teacher there. we don't know full time, part time, retired, whatever. but buzzed him in and within

two minutes that kid with a gun killed her. >> brian: meanwhile james rosen is over in washington now. you know, the president spoke yesterday emotionally. he said not as a president. i speak to you now as a president. understands what he was going through and what we're all going through. listen. >> those who died today were children. beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old. they had their entire lives ahead of them. birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own. >> steve: yesterday the president of the united states had the face of the nation right there wiping away the tear. >> we are seeing this more and more.

seems like we are aurora shooting and kicked with with gabriel giffords and what happened in that parking lot that day. more and more hearing about the same themes. >> evil. >> alisyn: so for more on the president's reaction we go to james rosen in washington. good morning, james. >> alisyn and guys, good morning to you. actually we saw an interesting range of reaction from official washington, the nation's top elected republican house speaker john boehner issued a call for unity yesterday. the horror of this day seems so unbearable the ohio lawmaker said we will lock arms and unite as citizens for that is how americans rise above unspeakable evil. congress' leading advocate for gun control karen mccarthy of new york whose husband was killed and son badly injured mass shooting on long island railroad back in 1993 she struck a more assertive tone telling politico i agree this is not the time to talk about gun control. it should have been talked about years ago when we started having these mass shootings. it should have been done when

gabriel giffords was shot. mccarthy described a conversation she had require to election day with white house chief of staff jack lu in which she vowed to revive the issue in the next issue of congress. i know the president is going through an election i'm telling you after an election i'm coming out full force. i was just giving the white house a heads up that the gloves are off on my side and i was going to do everything i possibly could if that meant embarrassing everybody, mccarthy said, that's what i would do. in his weekly saturday address, president obama mostly repeated his statement of yesterday. he kept his emotions in check, however. he correctly pronounced the name of the town in connecticut and added another city to the litany of them he had in friday's remarks. >> an elementary school in newtown, a shopping mall in oregon, a house of worship in wisconsin, a movie theater in colorado, countless street corners and places like chicago and philadelphia, any of these neighborhoods could be our own.

so we have to come together and we're going to have to take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this from happening. u regardless of politics. >> what exactly that meaningful action should be, the president has not yet specified. back to you guys in new york. >> shepard: all right, james. thank you very much. >> brian: mike bloomberg also somebody going after the president for not going after gun control. he said that yesterday. >> steve: a lot of people are already starting to talk about guns. today ♪ the day. >> alisyn: soon it will be. we should have a national dialogue at some point. >> steve: let's just figure out what happened. why did he go to those classrooms. >> alisyn: if there ever is an answer. we do have a lot of information to share with you this morning and many more guests coming up. did the sandy hook shooter just snap or were there warning signs that were missed? >> sandy hook school, caller is indicating she thinks there is someone shooting in the building. >> sandy hook school, the

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together, they help keep your teeth 97% as clean as a dental cleaning. crest. life opens up when you do. >> brian: this morning still learning information about the gunman who carried out a crime. second worst shooting at a school in our nation's history. what may have set him off. why yesterday, why then? why the weapons he used. rod, first off inside the mind of the killer adam evidently according to his brother autistic. others say emotionally disturbed. painfully shy. mom may have quit her job teaching at that school in order to spend time with him. we are still trying to make heads or tails of this. how do you put the puzzle together. >> you are exactly right, brian. the police department, the investigators there are trying to figure out the answers to

those exact same questions. you know, what was the correlation? here is the question. what was the correlation between this guy, that school and yesterday other than the mother? now we all know that the mother of this shooter worked at the school. but that's not enough to spark a person to commit the horrific act that he committed yesterday. so i think there is going to be a lot more information, brian, that we are going to learn over the next couple of days. the other thing is the amount of ammunition that this guy had. now, in some of the reports, brian, they are already saying that the police recovered over 100 shell casings at that school. now, if that is the case, this guy came prepared and as we all know he was supposedly wearing a bullet-proof vest. so you know he just didn't wake up yesterday morning and say i'm going to go do this. i believe this was a planned event. >> it was his mom's guns evidently. they were all registered and all legal. the rifle that he had in the car was evidently used for big game hunting. here is a quote from his neighbor and classmate tim

dalton not his friend. he said as horrible as this was, i can't say i am surprised. burn in hell, adam. we see all these red flags. are there other people that could say that about other potential assassins or is this obviously a guy that's capable of this? >> well, this is obviously a guy that's capable of it because he did it yesterday. here is the thing and you hit the nail on the head. there had to be warning signs and apparently the friend of the shooter knew about some of these warning signs because that's why he made the statement that he did. you know, the police and the fbi right now, they are in three different states this morning, brian, interviewing associates, relatives of the shooter. you know what they are trying to find out right now? they are trying to find out if there were warning signs. nor about this guy's history even if it was a mental issue. they are trying to find this out to try to determine what was it that was the spark that ignited him yesterday. >> rod, here's the thing. there is the aurora shooting. this guy was definitely deranged, signs of showing that he was deraked.

people say he was really off and his own therapist saying relatively squared for him. as we find out that this guy was a danger and scared everybody in his neighborhood. in the future, how can we stop the next multiple shooting if before it happens while still guarding against people's freedom? >> you are exactly right. you are going to have to speak up. i was just teaching a course yesterday, brian, i don't know if you heard, here in minnesota on active shooter response training to a major company. and one of the things i was telling those folks is that when you see these warning signs, you can't worry about profiling. you have to speak up to somebody. at the very minimum notify the police department so that we can check these individuals out, brian. because you don't want it to be a day too late. i guarantee there are people that are going to come forward now that is going to say i wish i would have spoke up. if it's medication he needs to be on and he doesn't take it at 20 years old there is nothing we can do to make him take it, correct? >> no, no. he can be probated if an individual is ordered by the court to take their medication

and they do not take it, we can get that person probated and have them force the medication. >> brian: interesting. 11 minutes before the top of the hour. rod wheeler thanks so much. >> thank you, brian. >> brian: thank you your analysis. as we move straight ahead. some people are wondering what is happening to the culture of america? are we changing or are we just noticing more? father jonathan morris here live next. this holiday, share everything. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. sharable data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. get a droid razr m by motorola for $49.99.

>> alisyn: you are looking at prayer vigils held for the massacre. how can children and family pick up the pieces after one of the deadliest shootings in u.s. history.

>> steve: we now turn to fox news religion correspondent jonathan morris who we turn to in times like this good morning. >> good morning, thank you. >> steve: what do you think. >> certainly there is no explanation that we can give to why god allows this to happen. why it did happen. we do know it's not a senseless act like we hear from so many politicians and even sometimes religious leaders it's not senseless, combination mental illness, free choice, deciding to go and do something very very bad third i think the power of evil. the power of evil when we allow ourselves or because of mental illness to get involved in our mind and in our heart of such a terrible terrible thing like killing somebody, the devil, in my opinion, gets involved and the power of evil takes over. >> alisyn: what are we supposed to do about this. you wrote a book a couple of years ago about suffering and dealing with tragedy and what

priests always say is that god can't prevent these things from happening but god is with you. that's not enough. >> that's not enough. we can never give a perfect explanation. god can't stop it. he can't k. if he wants. he usually does not. then we no longer would have free will. we -8d be rebots. we couldn't do bad but we also couldn't love. there would be no relationship man or god even among ourselves if there was no free will. but, when there are children killed, we say well why, at least in this instance didn't god intervene. if there is no such thing as heaven. if there is no such thing as eternal life then you have to say that god is an evil, evil being. i believe god brings out a greater good out of every single instance of evil and suffering in this world that's what i have wrote about. but sometimes that greater good only comes out in eternity. what do parents do right now or what do we do for the

parents? we hug them. they hug each other. part of god's solution to this great evil that was carried out not by god but by a human being is our love for one another. our love for another is what we can give to these families right now. and there is love being sent from all over this country right now. >> steve: yesterday was a big day for prayer aside from the fact that people would spontaneously see the evil images and do that on their own. last night the connecticut governor maloy said add these families in your prayers. say a pray for the children. >> that's right. absolutely. i get that all the time coming from people who are just wanting to be a part of it. i put a very simple tweet out yesterday saying i live only 60 miles away from this tragedy. if anybody needs spiritual guidance or comfort if i can be of help. all of a sudden it gets retweeted all over the place. one of the families contacted me. somebody put knee in contact with the priest at that perish.

amazing ability now to be able to come together even using new technology. >> that's really nice. the rap on social media is that it sort of separates us. you have virtual friends but to be able to help people at that distance is also really nice. we will check back in with you, father. thank you so much for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> steve: we will return in two minutes. you are watching the fox news channel. i'm doing my own sleep study.

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[sigh] they had their entire lives ahead of them, birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own. [sigh] among the fallen were also teachers, men and women who devoted their lives to helping their children to fulfill their dreams. so our hearts are broken today for the parents and grandparents, sisters and brothers of these little children and for the families of the adults who were lost. >> steve: good morning, everybody, welcome to special edition of "fox & friends." brian and i join ali today for this special coverage. this morning as the world wakes up and looks at the 26 dead there in newtown, connecticut, people are asking the question why. why did that 20-year-old kid

get up yesterday morning, murder his mother and then drive to the school she worked in and killed 20 kids? >> or was he planning this for a long time from the ammo to the guns. he didn't miss. word is in three minutes, the guy didn't miss. and he spread over 100 rounds. >> deadly accurate. only one person was injured. everybody else was fatally shot. >> thats what a teacher that threw herselves in front of a classroom and a door and got shot in the arm and the leg. >> alisyn: hopely we will get answers. that's what everyone begs for after something like this happens figure out why it happens so we can prevent they m in the future. can i tell you from covering crime for five years and talking to murderers in their prison cells it's a fool's errand. they don't have good explanation that end up making sense. >> steve: that's the key. we want an easy answer. we want to know why he did it. but when you're crazy. when you are evil as he surely

was, we may never know. >> brian: right. >> alisyn: we do have a lot more information for you this morning. we are glad you are with us. peter doocy is live in new haven, connecticut with the latest that's happened overnight. >> alisyn, all night long the medical examiner's office worked to positively identify the victims. we're told that there was a temporary morgue set up some place inside sandy hook elementary school. that's where authorities took the young victims and they photographed them so that they could show those photographs to their parents. all 20 children who were killed were between the ages of 5 and 10. it is a nightmare here in newtown for everyone who is even in the most slight way involved. now, the 20-year-old mass murderer, adam lanza used at least three guns yesterday. they were all legally registered to his mother nancy lanza, adam shot his mom nancy before heading to this school

and he did most of his killing in just two classrooms. >> the individual that i have on the phone is continuing to hear what he believes to be gunfire. >> units in the school. i have got bodies here. >> once the shooting started. we're told that students heard screaming over the school's intercom system. teachers eventually evacuated students to a nearby firehouse and parents were told, many parents, that their kids were -- that there were children at the firehouse. they didn't know if their child made it to the firehouse. a lot of these parents just knew that the children who made it were at the firehouse and they were showing up not knowing if their child was alive or dead. >> are you trying to find your child, ma'am? >> no. my girlfriend's daughter, my babysitter.

her and my little daughter are like best friends and they just told us go to maloy. they told us if you can't find your children, they are dead in the building. >> in connecticut governor daniel maloy said evil visited this community yesterday and from everything that we have heard and everything that we have seen, he was spot on back to you in new york. >> thank you very much. there is a fuller picture of who adam lanza was. there is information coming out about this gunman. grew up in newtown, divorced in 2008 or 2008. he then lived with his mother apparently alone in newtown because his brother lived in new jersey. >> she worked for the school system although it's uncertain exactly what her status was at the time of the murder. >> was she a substitute? was she part time? >> an aide?

>> brian: was she retired or did she step aside to spend more time with her troubled son? >> alisyn: that was one report as well. then there were guns that were found at the scene and they apparently were registered to his mother, nancy lanza. that's an interesting point right there. because, you know, obviously your relationship is guns is different depending on where you live in this country. in newtown, connecticut there was like one crime there since 2010. one violent crime. again, in connecticut, these not -- this is not texas or the east coast near new york we have a different relationship with ones. for a woman to have three guns one of them possibly this semiautomatic that he used it's interesting that she had these guns. who knows why but it's also possible that he himself was troubled. there are lots of reports from neighbors that the son who lived with her adam was a troubled kid somehow. >> brian: as early as 5 years old in terms of the weapons he used a glock, an sig sower, if i have said that wrong excuse

me. a bush rifle was left in the car. >> as can you see from that graphic brother told authorities that he was autistic and some of the neighbors said yeah, he was not well. >> alisyn: want to clarify that as well. his brother said autistic and said i think he had as berger's system which is a very different place on the spectrum for autism. very high functioning. described as a genius. described as a great student. described as a computer nerd and he had a personality disorder. >> steve: whatever it was, he was evil yesterday. any time you start the day by murdering your mother and then taking her car to the school and, of course now we are trying to piece it all together and trying it talk to as many people involved as we can. >> alisyn: next guest lives through the most terrifying moments of his life yesterday when he hears gunshots coming from his little sister's school from his home. they ran there and arrived

before many of the first responders. please tell us what happened yesterday at 9:30 that you started to hear. >> well, basically i was at home from school that day. we heard -- my neighbor and i heard two gunshots echo because it's a very open area. as soon as we heard the echos we ran to the school with my mom to see what was happening. and that's where we saw the state troopers there. >> brian: what time was that about, do you know? >> i want to say about 9:45. >> steve: you got there before the first responders, right? >> well, there were some first responders there. there were the local police and there were some state troopers. but it was not a heavily secured area when i was there. i was there very early in the running. >> did you go to the front door merginm? >> excuse me.

>> >> did you go to the front door of the school. >> i was able to see it but i did not go, you know, to the front door, no. >> alisyn: mergim describe the scene when you arrived at the school. >> there weren't a lot of parents there yet either. when i was there it was not very heavily guarded but there were state troopers. and, you know, the first thing i saw was two little girls being carried out from the scene by state troopers. it was just horrendous. >> mergim that's the reason you ran to the school will will is because your little sister goes to that school and you didn't know at that time if she was okay. >> correct. i mean, there was about a 20 minute time span between the time i saw those two little girls and i saw my sister. and, you know, those were just worst 20 minutes of my life. i just can't put it into words. >> steve: how did it work? once they started to secure

the area, how quickly did they get the rest of the kids, like your sister out of the building headed off to the nearby fire station? >> well, you know, i just want to put out there, you know, the police they did an awesome job, great job, bless them. they got the children out as quickly as possible. and, you know, the efforts are quick and the children came out safely. they were moving, they were crying but the most important thing is that those children that left the school, they were safe and i have to commend everyone involved for that because it was an amazing effort. >> alisyn: mergim one of the most heart breaking vision yesterday and ideas concepts is that all of these parents were showing up at the school and they didn't know if their kids were dead or alive. did you see parents showing up who couldn't find their children? >> you know, there were parents that showed up that were not able to find their children, but many of which i

know were able to find their children. but i do know some people, some people who go to school with me that unfortunately were not as lucky and it's just really a shame. it's a shame. >> mergim, first off, your sister, how is she and what did she tell you happened from her perspective? >> well, thankfully she is fine. unfortunately, i mean she is obviously a little shaken up just like everyone else is. but, what she told me was that, you know, in the morning she was in art class. and the intercom came on where she heard a scream and a bullet. and that's when the school went into lockdown and what ultimately happened was because she was in the art class they locked the doors. one of the doors in the art class did not lock according to what she said. so they had to go into a -- some sort of small room, a closet. i'm not exactly sure how she

detailed it but they had to go to a small room and stay quiet. her recount of it was really horrendous. >> steve: i can imagine. i know you go to the high school there in newtown now. you did go to that school. did you know the principal? >> well, the principal was relatively knew there. did i not know her. but i know many who did know her. and i heard she was an amazing, wonderful woman. and she will really be missed. she is a true hero to new town. she really is. >> steve: it is very nice of to you have those kind words about her. she did lose her life. and for you to say the nice things as well about the first responders. you were there and saw with your own two eyes. >> yep. >> bill: thanks so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> brian: best of luck to you and your family. >> steve: can you imagine what he detailed. locked doors but one of the doors couldn't lock.

can you imagine? >> alisyn: all students have stories of being completely terrorized because they could hear what was going on in the hallway and the shouting and the gun shots. they tried to find some sort of safe area if it was a bathroom or a closet. these kids will be traumatized for a long time, if not a a lifelong altering moment. >> brian: we will talk to a child psychologist shortly and that will be coming your way. meanwhile, is there a way to prevent something like this from happening ever again or are we just helpless to this kind of violence? that story and that angle of the story is next. twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio.

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stop pretending. only flood insurance covers floods. ♪ visit floodsmart.gov/pretend to learn your risk. >> brian: small town connecticut came unthinkable scene of a tragedy. a young man guns down 20 kids between the ages of a and 10. 20 were children. what steps can we take as a society to prevent another act of violence like this if we can prevent another act of violence like this. joining us now arthur aidala. you believe we have to study the killer in order to prevent something like this to happen gotten on lessen the chances. >> are you are right. even to have a shot of preventing something like this. thank god it's so rare that anything like this happens. and i think what we have to

make sure is that there is no knee jerk reactions to this. the three areas that i anticipate are going to be studied here or looked at is number one, obviously, gun control and the pros and cons and you are going to hear both sides of the argument. number two, if this -- i don't know what you want to call them had autism or as bergeres, people are looking to look at how we treat people who we know have some sort of a mental disease or detect dee fecket or disability and especially if there are warning signs. somebody says i want to kill people. what do we do and then the third one obviously is going to be school security. i mean, brian, do we want to make a little school a little elementary school or little quiet sleepy town into an airport where people anyone who wants to just get through the threshold of the door has to strip down? because let me just tell you that's what happened after september 11th like on thursday i had to go to the u.s. attorney's office in new

jersey newark, new jersey, i'm a lawyer, i'm fingerprinted. i had to take off my shoes my belt my hat, my jacket. it's a different way to live. >> brian: there are metal detectors in schools in new york city. >> you don't think about it in a sleepy town like that. >> bill: put a will the of money into a security system. >> they already do. >> brian: why not put a person there and give them permission to be armed. are you going to arm 135,000 schools across the country? >> brian, let's face it, if there was a guy that was armed there he would be dead. they knew this i had can i believe. he was a familiar face. he was able to open the door, boom, he would have skilled the security guard right away. that one guy with one gun in that i would abouting doesn't seem like it was going to stop anything. >> brian: you are saying or their if you were in control of what happened here you would look at the oregon shooting mall last week. look at the aurora movie theater. you would look at the killing of all those people and wounding of gabriel giffords. >> congressman which is

basically what the president of the united states said yesterday. we have to figure out a way to stop this from happening. >> brian: those guns reportedly all legally registered to the mom. >> which is going to ignite a whole -- again, it was a knee jerk reaction. within moments of this evil, within moments of this terror people started tweeting their respective gun control, gun this, progun, antigun position. give me a break, folks. settle down, breathe, mourn, let's study, let's figure things out before you reach a conclusion about what happened here. >> brian: of course you are referring one of the people is mayor bloomberg. >> when i was with you yesterday afternoon, you know, we were talking i heard about a whole bunch of different people. enough, let's just. any time anything like this happens, you need to take a professional, intelligent approach and absorb it all and digest it and then figure out what the remedy is if there is remedy, brian.

horrible car accidents all the time. all the time they kill young kids all the time. do we automatically say let's stop driving? do you know they already have cars that drive themselves that are crash-proof and we don't have them out there. slow down, everyone. there is a lot of pain here. let's get through the pain and figure out what's going on. >> brian: slow down and figure out what's going on and don't dismiss it and say that kid is nuts. that's the flip side. >> correct. thank you so much. 19 minutes after the hour. hard to imagine what the family of the victims are going through right now. our next guest understands that pain all too well. she lost her daughter in columbine. initiated.

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>> steve: it's hard for any parent to imagine what the moms and dads of the victims in connect consult at the school are going through right now. our next guest understands their position and pain all too well. beth lost daughter rachel joy scott in the columbine shooting in colorado and her son craig witnessed the tragedy and survived. she joins us this morning from denver. good morning to you, beth. >> good morning. >> you know, it's hard for us looking into imagine what those parents are going through. you know, we just heard from our correspondent they have apparently set up a makeshift morgue and now the parents are starting to identify their children by pictures. you went through this a number of years ago. >> >> i did. >> what are they going through?

that time of waiting there is mixed feelings. you have some hope. and yet, there is this impending doom that because you haven't heard from your child or there is no news about them that the worst is to be expected and for us it took exactly 24 hours for when rachel passed away to get a call from the coroner. we didn't identify her. they identified her through some fingerprints that i had made up as my kids were little. and she was identified that way. >> just the waiting, you say that it took you 24 hours. they know, you know, all the other parents were reunited with their children. they know what happened to them and yet they have got to await formal word. >> yeah. that was the hardest part. for us we were told that evening to go home and that no more information was forth coming. that was just about the cruelest thing we could have been told at that point in time because they weren't

releasing names of victims. but there were students that had seen rachel's body so we were getting records reports from them even though it was verified by authorities. it's a sleepless night. it's the saddest thing. you want to hold on to hope but in your mind you know that it's gone. >> beth, i understand you told one of our producers that the parents of the children who were lost yesterday they are not going to know what hit them for a while. >> they won't. i believe it was well into a year before i could grasp what really happened. the grief and the pain is so tremendous. it's so -- it's it like your breath is taken away. your heart is racing. you can't breathe. you can't think. and so sometimes you are in a surreal situation.

and it comes and goes. sometimes it's real and sometimes it's like just a living nightmare. and you think you are going to wake up the next day it's going to be better. and it takes a long time. i think for you to understand the reality of what happened and really be able to deal with the reality, rather than all of the superficial that's going on right now. >> steve: right. >> there is so much. there is a lot of media. there is a lot of talk. and it takes a long time to figure out what was real and what wasn't. she and i were just in that particular case you blame the young man who took your daughter's life and the lives of so many other out there they were evil incarnate on earth and you were angry for a while. you are not angry anymore. how long did it take you to get to that stage?

it took quite a while. one of the things that helped we were able to do something about rachel's writings and journals and drawings that she left behind and that kind of gave us a platform to start cool programs and do a lot of speaking to look at the good that could come out of it that was a very healing point. and once we saw that, we were able to put things in a better perspective i don't believe it was rachel's time to die but she did. as a result we were able to move forward and turn something evil into good. that brought a lot of healing. that also helped deal with the anger and frustration of losing her. but i still had to deal with craig who was extremely traumatized. suffered from ptsd for a long time. and my concern was i would have two columbine victims. one from the shooting and one

from emotional cripple. >> steve: sure. >> reliving day in and day out what he experienced. it took him almost two years before i saw him turn a corner and become a regular teenager again and start life which he has done in a very powerful way now. >> steve: you give very powerful witness to what happened to the parents there. we know that yesterday reopened all of those bad memories of columbine. so beth we thank you very much for joining us today to share your stories from colorado. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> steve: you bet: all right, straight ahead, brand new details about the shooter and his brother who reportedly hadn't spoken to each other in two years. we'll be right back. o as you cas customer satisfaction is at 97%.

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>> alisyn: we are happy you are joining us this morning. heavy hearts sitting here as the president said yesterday every american's heart is broken. we do have new information for you this morning. we do want to bring you all of the latest. we are continuing of course our coverage of this tragedy in newtown, connecticut. here are some the most heart

wrenching scenes in the aftermath of this horrendous crime. >> evil visited this community today. >> a quality came into dispatch. police officers and resources from all over the state raced to that area as they converged on the school. the children obviously were very shaken. they were crying in the closet. when they were leaving the police made them hold hans and told them to close their eyes. >> they had their entire lives ahead of them. birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own. gym teachers directed us to stay against the wall and everybody started to kind of panicking no words, shear terror. >> it does not seem real.

it does not seem like it's even possible. >> we all huddled and i kept hearing these booming noises. [siren] >> just all of us moms networking trying to figure out what's going on. kids were terrified. they had just witnessed something and they were terrified most terrifying things i have been through. >> in the words of sprichter heal the broken hearted and bind up their wounds. >> steve: adam lanza after he murdered his mother at their house drove her car to the school she worked at and murdered 20 children and six

adults. >> brian: armed to the teeth. we do have new information for you. if you read the "new york times" today you perhaps heard or saw there that they say the principal buzzed in the would be assassin. >> steve: because of a new security system they had installed. >> that's just not true and abc is reporting now after doing interview with the investigator in charge who will hold a press conference shortly he got in because he smashed his way in through the glass at the front of the school and then stormed through the hall which would explain why the principal and the school psychologist heard some commotion, went to the hall and perhaps were his first victims. >> steve: the door was locked. >> alisyn: this is according to george cinco of the nowtown police department. it makes more sense that the gunman broke his way. in he he smashed the window adjacent to the door handle and was able to gain access that way and that does make more sense. but let's tell you about the stories. the teachers the heroic teachers had who knew what to do who knows if they ever had a drill of this magnitude.

still just instinctively they knew to barricade the doors and to hide their kids. that's exactly what this 3rd grade teacher katelyn roig did. she assembled all 14 of her kids into a bathroom that was connected to their class after barricading the door and she just sat with them and told them to be as quiet as possible. i put one of my students on top of the toilet. i jews knew we had to get in there. i was telling them it's going to be okay. you are going to be all right. i had pulled the book shelf before i closed the door in front of it so it was completely -- we were completely barricaded in. >> did you tell them to be quiet? >> oh, yeah. >> did you worry about -- >> -- i told them to be quiet. i told them we had to be absolutely quiet. i was just so afraid that if he did come in and he would hear us and he would maybe start shooting the door i said no, we have to be absolutely quiet i said there are bad guys out there now. we need to wait for the good guys. i just wanted us to be okay.

and i'm so, so saddened that there are people who, in this situation, are not okay. my heart goes out to anyone who knew them algd and pass part of their lives i can't imagine. >> she had 14 kids inside that restroom. she sat there, any kid quiet hold his face or her face quiet down everything is going to be okay other stories mary rose barricaded her kids in a classroom. they hid in a closet they stayed there. the gunman banged on the door saying let me in. she did not. she wouldn't talk about her action, hero. can't i can't believe you acted that way. i don't want to talk about it i want to talk about where we go from here and how we help these families. >> that 3rd grade teacher little bit more to the story police found them police, i

don't believe you. you need to put your slide your ids under. she thought it would be the gunman. obviously they were trauma mize ma advertised. if you were the police you would have a key to the bathroom she made them go and get the key and come back. >> steve: he was the policeman answered came to save the day. meanwhile the fbi just cleared the suspect's family, including his brother and his older brother and father, his older brother ryan was initially ms. establish as adam the gunman. anna coin man joins us now from hoboken, new jersey, what do we know about the lanza family? good morning to everybody at home. we are standing in front of the apartment building of the brother of the shooter, 24-year-old ryan lanza. he apparently lives here with two other people now everything we are hearing is that the brother had absolutely nothing to do with it and is not a suspect. although his home, his computer, his phone records all being searched. a reliable source and the fbi

telling us he was very cooperative with them and mentioned he had not even spoken to his brother adam since 2010 he said his brother had personality disorder and possibly autism as well. confusion over the identity of the shooter. he said it wasn't me. i was at work. now, that confusion over the identity may have stemmed because adam was carrying the i.d. of ryan. yesterday, hoboken police and the fbi on scene. also neighbors here in the neighboring apartment building says that the bomb squad was running through their hallways. >> still, in the back of your head, what could possibly have happened, you know, there is hundreds and hundreds of things. you know, you are just still shocked. >> you can't help it you know, hug your own children, you know, a little more at night when you pick them up. awful story. >> awful story. >> the fbi says that the

brother and father had been cleared and no longer are being questioned by authorities. and they may possibly be in connecticut. that's where the father lives in stanford. he has remarried after divorcing the mother, nancy, who was, of course, killed in the rampage yesterday as well. but authorities are still trying to piece all of this together and we'll bring you the latest as the story develops. back to you. >> steve: all right, anna, thank you very much. also they are trying to piece together the images of the shooter. i mean, it's very complicated. for instance, the "new york times" says smart, introverted, nervous. daily news says darked and disturbed, troubled boy from a wealthy family. a ticking time bomb as well. one of the newspapers describes him as a real gamer. somebody who loved video games and things like that. and i think somebody is going to have to look into that because when you look at the accuracy, with which he was able to shoot the people in that school, there is a report out this morning that he only

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>> alisyn: this morning we are talking about security and gun control that's the national dialogue. one thing people are not talking about how to change the culture. dr. jeff gardeir is here to talk to us before we get to talk about how culture is playing a role in this. the brother says the shooter has a personality disorder. help us understand that what is he talking about when he says a personality disorder? >> well, he may be talking about something we call a

skits zip code or a skits owe type personality disorder. what we know about these particular disorders, people isolate themselves, they have a bit of a different reality. they don't have many social or interactional skills. >> brian: seems went through high school. >> from what we hear and they have their own reality. we are not saying that they are schizophrenic. they don't have hallucinations but they certainly live in a different world than ours. >> our world has changed over the last 20, 30 years. the culture has changed. i was talking a little bit about apparently this guy was an expert gamer. >> yeah. >> steve: maybe the rating system needs to be changed with regard to video games. he seems to have been deadly accurate. >> he might have learned how to do that on those gaming systems. and that may have led into and supported a lot of the delusional thinking. this was a very disturbed individual. delusional thinking that he may have had. in some ways i think we all have to take responsibility,

perhaps not letting our kids play a lot of those games, especially if they have some emotional issues. those are the ones that we keep away from those violent games. >> brian: he has got no friends. he is painfully shy. doesn't want to interact yet he has this genius side to him. people call him evil genius or very bright. where are you going to go these games where you lose yourself. how do you stop it? >> very difficult to stop it. it comes back to the responsibility. but here's the bane of the existence of many parents. if the kids have some of these very severe emotional disorders as those kids get older they become a lot more uncontrollable. and it really is about getting them, perhaps, to stay on medication or to be diagnosed. so it's it's difficult for the kids. it's difficult for the parents and we need to step up our mental health system to assist those parents in controlling and working. >> alisyn: somebody doesn't

want to take their medication, how are you supposed to do that? >> well, you know, there is involuntary medication, but, again, you have to respect the rights of the patients and just because someone may have a schizophrenia or perhaps a personality disorder which we really don't medicate, you can't really force them because you have to respect their rights. that's the conundrum. that's where we are really all stuck. >> steve: it is tough. we don't have a good image of what was going on in that house up in newtown in that connecticut. you are talking about the culture has hardened perhaps it needs to change to a simpler, more wholesome time patients need to do their job. they need to parent. >> as much as they can. they need to reach out to other parents, especially when it becomes difficult for them. >> brian: i just think this guys is nuts. like the guy in aurora. to me that isn't hands on parenting. i don't know if any parent can reign in that type of mental condition. >> that is the major issue, look. people do have mental health

issues, it doesn't mean that they become violent. we have to be able to work with them to be compliant on their medications to be able to go to the therapy. it's difficult the way the mental health system is set up right now, it just does not reach out to enough people. and as a psychologist. i have to step up my game and help parents in dealing with these very difficult situations. >> this what s. what we all need to does a society. >> steve: very difficult situation. >> i will be seeing you again. >> alisyn: expecting to learn a lot more in a few minutes because there is a press conference about to get underway. we will bring it to you live. >> brian: every one of the press conferences has been late. we will stay with it and make the adjust. s. >> steve: forensics can tell you a lot about what happened with lanza. forensic pathologist dr. michael baden coming up next. >> the school is in lockdown.

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>> alisyn: back with continuing coverage of the school shooting. our next guest connect the dots. here to brake it down is dr. michael baden. nice to have you here with us. we have breaking news right now. that is at this hour the victims' bodies, some of them, are being removed from the school. what took so long? it's almost been 24 hours. >> they had to do like 26 separate homicides, document the bodies, identify them as best they could. make charts and take lots of photographs of where the bodies are.

because this may be important later on in understanding what happened. >> alisyn: i know this is your livelihood and so i hesitate to somehow denigrate it but we know what happened here. there won't be a trial. there is no trial. why put the parents through all of these forensics? >> two things, number one, there won't be a trial on the adam. there is going to be a lot of civil trials on this. there will be civil trials about the school, about medication, about security. and there may be a police investigation if there is another person who helped adam do this because, remember, this took a while to get together for him to do. there may be a criminal charge against somebody. so the police want to get everything right. now, fortunately, they have an excellent forensic pathologist in charge in the state of connecticut wane carver. he will do everything he can to get the babies back to the families as soon as possible. but not only do the

photographs on identification have to be done right. x-rays, see if there is any bulls in the bodies. bullets in the bodies. >> alisyn: you have to do that again, i hate the idea of putting the parents through any mortar temperature you must do that because that will tell you if he had help somehow or if this was an act alone. >> it will tell if you there is a fourth gun involved. the bullet that the medical examiner leaves behind is the bullet that may have come from another gun. so it if they have bullets from say three guns that adam had, maybe there is a 40 bullet from another gun there was a question in the beginning as to whether there was a fourth shooter. >> a second shooter. >> excuse me a second shooter a year or two from now when this may come to court those issues will be raised again. >> alisyn: you make a great point. when will the parents be able to get their loved ones? >> i will suspect they will start getting them from the medical examiners because the farmington, medical examiner's office hopefully by sunday, monday, tuesday.

there will be bodies still there monday. also they have got to do a thorough examination of the shooter. not only the cause of death. what drugs was he on? a drug of abuse? had he seen a psychiatrist and was he on any therapeutic drugs. >> alisyn: toxicology reports for the shooter is very important. >> very important. >> alisyn: there is a press conference expected at any moment and we will bring it to you as soon as it happens. student, we'll be right back.

>> good morning, everyone, we are awaiting a live press conference out of newtown, connecticut where we expect to learn new details about the

victims of this horrible tragedy and about the shooter who took the lives of 26 people, including 20 children. >> brian: we will go to that presser as soon as it starts and you can totally understand it, but everybody has been running behind and last night every press conference ran behind and very brief and the facts were sketchy which really explains why if you go to the hartford current or the local patch paper and talk to go a reporter and talk to the new york times or the new york post or daily news, a lot of the facts are still fluid, so to speak, and a lot of things that matter a lot are still unclear. that's why this press conference, i imagine, will clear a lot up. >> steve: i hope so, we're 23 hours after one of the worst mass murders in american history and the shooting at virginia tech where 32 died. it's too early. we're not going to know what the motive is.

we don't know why 20-year-old adam lanza murdered his mom and drove his car to the where she worked. and there's one other thing about yesterday, i haven't heard anybody talk about and you kind of touched on it a little bit, ali. yesterday, school prayer returned to sandy hook because a number of reefers heard the commotion and locked their kids in closets and corners, what else did they do, they prayed. >> alisyn: and what else can you do. and new picture emerges from adds dam lanza, he was 20 years old. parents divorced in 2008 or 2009 and lived with his mom who he later killed in newtown, connecticut, guns found at the scene were registered to his mom, there were three guns and brother ryan described his brother as basically a computer nerd, a techno geek.

other people described him as remote. the brother also said that he thought his brother might have had asperger's syndrome and a personality disorder. >> brian: as we did find out and asperger's barely is there violence associated with it, but you don't know some type of adverse medication. if they are his mom's guns and one of the guns, one of the weapons was to be in the car, thankfully not used was a rifle they say is used for big game hunting. i question how exte-- he went to the classrooms, hartford current, there were two different classrooms, we've heard differing reports was the mom a teacher, an aide, did she step aside to try to solve some of her son's problems at 20 years old. >> steve: we did hear the

lieutenant earlier on another channel, i'm sure we'll hear more. the new york times is reporting that they stalled this new security system at the school when somebody came to the door, only one door to enter after school started 9:30. and we learned that the kid didn't buzz the door, he busted the glass and came in, there was a story that the principal had buzzed him in. that apparently is not true. the principal was in a three on one meeting, the principal, the school psychologist and a vice principal talking to a parent about one of the children and heard commotion and the principal went out, realized this kid was shooting at people, told some of the people to back up. yelled lock your doors and she was dead within ten seconds. >> brian: how about the current of a principal walking to a gunman, rather than running away, confronting,

confronting along with the school psychologist and 56 years old and according to family member set to retire at the end of the year, they both lose their lives and vice principal two wounds, trying to recover with the arm and legs. and the administration was doing the best to block and protect. >> alisyn: there are wonderful things coming out about the principal, how dedicated to her students and how much she loved her career path and a very active twitter feed and she would tweet out messages all the time and on the opening day this year, september the first day of school, i'm so excited to welcome in the kindergarteners and hope stoke their life long love of learning and a couple of things about the shooter as well. he reportedly was an honor student and local jounlists dug up honor rolls, he was at least in elementary and high

school and perhaps a personality disorder set in. no criminal history. when something like this happens, everyone looks for what were the warning signs how could we have ever stopped this. if you don't have any violent behavior before that and you're just a strange, remote computer geek, what are you -- how can you ever stop it? neighbors described him as a little odd and perhaps a compulsive-- >> they want to connect the dots and we should have realized when he did this. look, something happened. he was evil yesterday and he killed a whole bunch of people. >> brian: and the daily news quotes a classmate of his, a neighbor of his, i can't say i couldn' happening, but rot in hell. neighbors were totally freaked out by this guy. >> steve: i saw that same quotation, but there are a lot of rotten people who are not evil incarnate and who do not

commit murder. and a school custodian, heard gunshots and ran up and down the halls and alerted teachers, lock your doors. there was a school nurse who heard the commotion and her inclination was to run into the hall to figure out what's going on, but instead she remembered the protocol they talked about when they were in a lockdown as they were apparently yesterday and hid under the desk and the desk, she looked under the, you know, the skirt of the desk and she saw the gunman's feet. he was right at her desk. she remained completely quiet and he took off and started shooting again. >> brian: let's talk about the music teacher. >> alisyn: let's do that. obviously it's the christmas season and just the night before this tragedy, the music teacher at this school sandy hook elementary, mary rose led her students in a holiday concert. i wish, i think, i don't know if we have it right now.

there's sound for that and special that is and let's watch that for one second. . >> my music teacher told us to get into the closet. and at first i thought it was just a practice, but then i realized that everything was real and we were all in the closet and we were saying a prayer. >> alisyn: so that's that student respond to go what the teacher did. the teacher was also-- had her wits about her and put them in the closet even as the gunman was apparently pounding on the door and saying let me in. >> brian: a scary thing. >> steve: so she locked the door from the inzoo i had whihad-- from the inside which was the key. and the gunman was knocking on the door saying let me in. >> brian: you want to hear some of the concert. this is before it took place, back the night before. oh, we don't? okay, i thought we did, my

fault. so, heard the student in the class talk about that. when they went up to the music teacher and heard the account of what you did. she says i don't want to talk about what i did, i want to talk about the health of the families of those who lost their lives and kids what they've gone through. >> alisyn: there's something about that boy, that particular little boy who we heard just speak that's particularly poignant. and i think you forget how little those boys are until you hear their voices. and that boy's voice as he's able to recount that terror in his little boy voice and there were kindergarten,in this class who had to deal with this, this terror and all of these kids in the school, as the president said yesterday, these were little beautiful kids from five to ten years old and you spoke to the mom from columbine who also is so profound in everything she says and so poignant and talks about how this will be with them, like her son, for life,

but hopefully they will get the help that they need to move on from this. >> steve: right. what she said was afterwards she was obviously dazed and angry at klebold and harris. and she regarded that as evil on earth and blamed them and took a while and eventually came to-- to recognize her daughter was gone, her son had witnessed it. he was suffering from traumatic stress syndrome, still does. but you know, she says that these parents of these children who were killed yesterday, it's going to be a long road for them and they're the not going to know what hit them for a very long time. >> brian: and we understand according to the hartford current, two classrooms, and we've heard reports kindergarten classrooms and hopefully get it cleared up today. one of the first grade teachers heard the shooting and had to spring into action. what would kaitlin hoyt do

when she had the kids in the classroom and heard the shooting. and didn't know this was happening, but in that grade. there was a bathroom in the actual classroom and asked all her kids to get in there. so crowded they had to stand on top of the toilets and some of them would make noise and some would sit there in horror and some thought it was a game and she knew it was essential they stay quiet and here is that teacher talking about what happened yesterday at 1y9d 30 in the morning. >> i put one of my students on top of the toilets. i knew we had to get in there and telling them it's going to be okay, you're going to be all right. and i pulled the book shelf before i closed the door in front of it so we were completely barricaded in. >> did you tell them to be quiet. >> yeah. >> did you worry-- >> i told them to be quiet. we had to be absolutely quiet i was afraid if he did come in and hear us he would maybe start shooting the door, no, we have to be absolutely quiet and i said we're waiting for

the good guys and i just, i wanted us to be okay so saddened that there were people in the situation who are not okay. and my heart, my heart goes out to anyone who, part of their lives. >> alisyn: the most heart wrenching thing about what she says there, at least i'm reading it in the transcript of what he she said, we didn't play is there. she would take their head, their face ins her hands and tell them it's going to be okay, it's going to be okay, she wanted that to be the last thing they heard. >> brian: that's unbelievable. from past records you know how the grades and close, first grade, second grades, third grades, and curriculums and two first grade charms that were massacred and she's sitting there and got to live with what, who is left and the horror that she's been through

and she defines traumatized. >> steve: there is one other component and we don't know the back story because somebody in the office as the commotion started yesterday. pushed down the button on the public address system where they do the flag salute and somebody pushed it down and the entire building heard at least one person screaming and it's unclear whether there were gunshots were audible or not and crediting whoever did that with perhaps saving lives because as soon as people heard that, the teachers and other staff members, they lock the doors from the inside. and perhaps, you know, you listen to the story about the music teacher and the guy is banging on the door, open up, the guy with the the gun, how many lives were saved because somebody pushed a button for two seconds. >> brian: right weeks' waiting for the press conference, could start any second and we'll go right to it and we'll leave the screen and you'll take in that, you'll see the officer sitting behind the

microphone and getting the latest and let's continue to speculate from an education a-perspective. rod wheeler a homicide detective. sees sadly a lot of these crime scenes and nothing, i would argue, as sad as children losing their lives at school. and what has your scratching your head? >> i think the main thing we're trying to figure out, brian, talking all morning told. what could have been the motive and what was the spark? as i indicated earlier that ignited this guy yesterday. there had to be something and so that's what the police are trying to figure out. that's what we all want to know and the other very important question here, where did he get this ammunition from? and i keep going back to that for a reason. reason i'm going back to that he didn't get that ammunition yesterday morning, he had to have accumulated that over a period of time. so, as a result of that, the question becomes, was this as planned event and whether or not anybody was involved with them. and that's still something that the police are trying to

figure out right now, brian. >> brian: let's think about that. we know he had protective equipment whether it was a bullet-proof vest. and excuse me? >> and calmo, too. >> i thought it was a black outfit, though, too, but he had hollowed out bullets, but i'm not a ballistics expert, but i understand flower after impact inside the body. >> those are the worst bullets you can have. they're hollow point and the kind we in law enforcement hate, they can penetrate a bullet-proof vest. where did he get that ammunition from? was anybody involved with this guy? obviously this was a planned everett and set out, i think, probably, days ago to commit this act. >> alisyn: i have a question. i want to talk about newtown, connecticut for a second and let people know what it's like. it's this very precious, very sweet, i've spent time there, a beautiful town with lovely

town squares and beautiful old churches adorning different corners and small, particularly hamlet of sandy hook. is this something, something as hideous as this crime that a small little town police department like the newtown police officers, would they ever have had a drill to train for a school shooting? >> you know, that's an excellent question and i can tell you the answer is yes. why? because if you look historically, alisyn, at a lot of these type of shootings, they hope in remote areas, you know, we don't have a whole lot of mass shootingses in the inner city area that you ever notice that. a lot of times they happen in remote areas. look at columbine, all police departments across this country really, as a result of columbine and of course, virginia tech, alisyn, we've been practicing on this and continue to practice on this on a regular basis, every police department. now why? because these situations can happen at any time and that's why it's equally important for all of our viewers to

understand that you have to have a plan in place now, alisyn, in case something like this happens. let's hope it never happens again, but the time to plan how you're going to respond to this is now. >> as a detective and you try to put this crime scene together, people say crimes of passion, look for this. crimes of hate, strangers, whatever. what about the fact that he shoots his mom and goes to what we believe was her work place. something about that work place could symbolize something that he wanted to rectify, take her out and then take out something else that she loved. >> that she loved or was coming between her and him and his mom. >> right. and there had to be something, as i indicated earlier, brian, and i don't like to speculate, as you guys know, toouch in these cases. it's very early in this case, but you know what i honestly believe? i think there had to be something going on between this guy's mother and the school and took his mother out figured in his mind he's going to get even with that school,

that principal, again, don't want to speculate here, that doesn't do anybody any good, but however, we have an obligation to try to put the pieces together to figure out what was it to cause this guy to select those classrooms. one of the actual witnesses said when this guy came into the school he specifically went to a certain classroom. why did he do that? why didn't he just start shooting in the hallway? we don't know. that's another important question we're trying to figure out how, brian. >> rod wheeler, thanks. and stay close, we'll wait for the press conference and the facts this morning. >> alisyn: thanks, meanwhile we want to bring in mike huckabee, governor, 1998, jonesboro, arkansas. >> yeah. >> alisyn: there was a school shooting, again, young men, young boys. what's happening? >> i mean, i remember vividly, i'll never forget it, march 24th, 1998 and what was tragic, a 11-year-old and a 12-year-old, who ambushed

their fellow students and teachers, killing five, wounding ten others, it was a horrible scene. the worst of it was that no one really ever prepared for a 11-year-old committing mass murder. a 11-year-old, not enough to go even through puberty, so there were no laws in place that said you can keep this kid forever, you adjudicate him when he's a juvenile and have to let him go when he's 18. there are things about the criminal justice system that says this, and people say you should have a law and there is one thou shallt not kill. >> brian: they're never talking about the culture. >> steve: we're talking about our culture and our culture has hardened. >> and we have to look at that in an honest way and don't mean to be simplistic and yesterday on cavuto, he asked where was god.

we've removed them. and some said if we have prayer in schools this wouldn't have happened. my point is a larger point, that we have as a culture decided that we don't want to have values, that we don't want to say that some things are always right and some things are always wrong. when we divorce ourselves from a basic sense of what we would call, i would say, collective morality where we agree on certain principles to be true always, then we create a culture, not that it specifically creates this crime. it doesn't, but it creates an atmosphere in which evil and violence are removed from our sense of responsibility. the governor yesterday said tevil visited this community. and he spoke as a dad and not as a politician, you could see the emotion, he quoted scripture, we always go back to the cultural norms in the

moments of crisis and act like we're ashamed testify the rest of the year. >> brian: the school had it it right and the government had it wrong. that school seemed to be a home run in every way as an educational founder and the principal dressing up, funny faces and greeting children. my principal never said three words. >> there were times we wished our principal would have dressed up. that's a great point, brian. an exemplary school and some would say a idyllic community. and we always say this is the last place it would happen, no, it's really not because it can happen anywhere, anytime and that's why we can pass a thousand thousands and anything can happen in newtown, connecticut at sandy hook elementary, it can and it unfortunately will happen. >> alisyn: but to brian's point. you talk about the culture somehow going awry, but i think that when you look at newtown, connecticut this is a town of -- you see the parents

running to the school. these are good parents, and this is beautiful culture and these are people who are still connect today their community, be it a church, be it a synagogue. so, something must be going wrong with young men. i mean, it's young men who perpetrate all of these school shooting and sadly they are he' on the rise. there's something, i don't know a sense of illness? i don't know how we dig deep tower get to the answer, but you can't say it's that culture, look at that beautiful culture. >> it's not the culture of newtown, it's the general culture of our society. an example, when i was in school it was normal that we carry guns to school, okay? in our cars and pickup trucks, guns were in our, because we hunted before school, we hunted after. listen, it never occurred-- >> could have gun racks in our trucks. >> and stayed in the school parking lot. it never occurred to any of us that we would ever use that gun to kill our classmates. the culture point i'm talking

about, we understood what guns were, we understood we weren't to use them on each other. today, you have kids who use guns in games, they have a disconnect from reality. the guns they see and hear are not real and they somehow don't understand that there are real consequences. >> go ahead. >> i was just going to say this particular shooter who shot all the people were apparently an expert gamer, and new york times they talked a little about that. you mentioned a school prayer, it returned yesterday. >> yeah. >> steve: a bunch of stories of teachers who massed their kids in closets and corners and what do they do, wait for the police. >> and pray. >> brian: governor, and bring in something else, thousand shall not kill and work a jackhammer during a talk show in the background. >> alisyn: i don't know if the viewers can hear it, it's deafening. >> like a dentist in the makeup room. >> brian: bringing back bad

memories. governor, keep in mind, too, you know this, even though there's the gabby giffords horror and at aurora horror and in the mall. there are a lot of people walking in and around shopping in malls, nothing is it happening and schools are opening and closing, nothing is happening, there's no threat. security is working fine. we obviously highlight something that's the second worse massacre in the history of the country when it comes to schools, but i also think that the people at home are writing and saying this, i don't want everyone to go to school tomorrow, on monday and think to themselves are we going to get shot today, it's not reality. >> no, it's not reality. and just like plane crashes and people say i'm going to cancel my night. or a bus accident, or trains, it's a natural human response we want to survive and so we look at all forms of threat and we try to eliminate but what happened yesterday is the kind of out of the blue,

that's why we're talking about it, why we've gone 24/7 talkling about it, because it's unusual. the day it's normal, or routine, one of the dozens stories covered in the half hour. it's not so much that we should be shocked when this happened, when i say shocked, yes, it should-- the day it becomes routine and don't all feel a gut-punch, that's when we need to worry. >> alisyn: if history had gone differently and if you were president today, what would you have the national dialog be tomorrow about this? >> i think you would grieve. this is not a time to have a dialog about what to do and i think the big mistake today would be to have all of these political or philosophical discussions how do we prevent it because it's not the time. the time now is to grieve, it's to to put our arms around this community and these families and kids who saw something they'll never ever get beyond and to do everything we can to grieve.

and there's a time for all of that, it's not today and not this weekend. >> are you going to be live this weekend? >> we'll be live tonight to do a special show and we'll have darryl scott, who is the father of rachel scott from columbine, and max will be with us and talk about how do you talk to your family, particularly to little kids and explain the grief process to them who maybe have never been through it before. >> good morning ab we'll let you prepare for your show. >> thank you, steve, alisyn-- >> as you look there, had a live image out of newtown, connecticut where we were told that the press conference with the authorities, including the state police, local police was going to start at eight o'clock. keep in mind, inside that school, it's a gigantic crime scene where 26 homicides took place yesterday. dr. michael bodden, esteemed forensic psychologist joins us live now here. what have they been doing overnight in the school. >> overnight the medical

examiner has been looking at the bodies and working with the csi, the crime scene police, documenting where each body is, documents for the shell casings. >> why is that important? >> we know who did it and we know he came in and he just started shooting. >> right, because to document everything is important for future public health hollies discussions and also, the futures and just because there are no criminal lawsuits doesn't mean a lot of civil lawsuits where all of this is it going to be important where there's any deficit in the way the children were handled, they have to photograph the scene, diagram the scene, but then, and that's been going on 24 hours. now, the bodies would normally have to go to farmington where the connecticut medical examiner is and x-rays taken

and the individual gunshot wounds will be documented. now, in the x-rays, if there are bullets in the bodies because some of the bodies went through, there's an issue of autopsies having to be done to document each bullet with each gun. >> alisyn: and what do parents say, and i just want the body of my child returned to me. >> the wishes, the medical examiner's determination. >> alisyn: because it's a crime scene, parents don't have the choice. >> the parents have a choice to tell the medical examiner what their opinion is. the medical examiner mass to see what the responsibility is and normally, the parent doesn't want the medical examiner to do the autopsy they can go to court and get a court order, but that takes days and days and the families want remains because of burial arrangements and grieving and that's the tension in the next couple of days. >> and how is the

communication for the most part in a situation like this, you have a be job to do, guys like you, to get the parents that want to know details about their child. and how is-- wayne carver the chief medical examiner has been around a long time and one of the important things to do is to go to the-- periodically to go to the firehouse and tell the parents what progress is being made and all the things that you raised, and give answers to the parents so they're not left out. that this was a problem of flight 800 and when they were, all the parents were-- ments a lot of anger. >> and still a the lot of anger, because they weren't kept up-to-date. and here i'm sure somebody from the medical examiner's office and somebody from the police department, going periodically every hour, two hours, telling the families what's going on and what's happening. and so that they don't get it from television, they should get it before it goes on the tube. >> well, our correspondent up there reported the story that

apparently they have set up a makeshift morgue inside the school and they've taken pictures of the children. >> right. >> and then is it standard then to have the parent identify their child from a photograph? >> yes, they have to make, the easiest way to identify the children would be my photographs, rather than seeing the bodies. >> they didn't want the parents to come into the school. >> right, right, so they can do it by photographs or by video and then the parent will have a chance to see their children at the funeral home after everything is-- the blood-- >> don't go to the crime scene. >> it's still a crime scene. >> brian: dr. bodden in everything you've seen, is it possible, can you even make sense of a killer who can be as heartless to assassinate children at point blank range? do you understand that mindset. >> let me tell you 50 years of experience of doing this stuff. every mass murder is different. this are different bases, i've

never been in a situation where children were selected to be killed like this and this whole idea that he had something with his mother that caused him to kill his mother and then kills all of the children, presumably that she may have done some teaching with. so, yeah, i can't understand it, but you can't-- >> and has never killed before, never been in trouble, evidently. >> except he was kind of a loner and felt left out and he wasn't a joiner. >> alisyn: is that a universal? >> that often happens with these kids. they're not joiners and want to get even and show everything that they're supermen and it's also interesting that police have have to find out how much of the weapons and the ammunition was in the household, you know, that he could use, but certainly, he had to prepare by getting the bullet-proof vest and the camouflage choating. and this is' still some things out there. remember, they found another

person in the woods with camouflage in the beginning. >> brian: yes. >> as you said earlier, each newspaper is giving a little different story what happened and presumably this-- >> one of the most fascinated things happened. we see dr. bodden and other experts as they leave our set to go green room and you guys are trying to piece this together, too, because there's a lot of answers nobody has. >> i think we're going to get a lot of information from this press conference, hopefully. >> they have he' been very responsible and they, you know, it sounds like as soon as it's reliable information, they have shared it with us. >> it's reliable because they want everybody properly identified and-- >> wonder what the delays are, the delay could show they're finding out new information. >> it was interesting last night when the sergeant vance, the trooper. >> state police. >> the state police, he was solid and he was at eight o'clock and he meant eight o'clock so there's something going on right now to make a delay. >> right and some of the reporters were asking some

questions, now what? i'm not going to go into that right now. >> he was very good in the fact that deflecting certain questions and saying, hey, look, we're not up to that, yet. >> alisyn: thanks so much for sticking around with us and call upon your expertise, again we're waiting for the press conference in newtown, connecticut you can see all the reporters and photographers there assembled and supposed to start a half hour ago, but we are just going to keep an eye on it and we're going to hope this delay means they have new information of possibly about the shooter, possibly about what is happening with the victims and the ongoing investigation. >> and joining us-- >> let's go ahead and talk a little bit about the principal at the school, a 47-year-old educator by the name of dawn, and she had been at the school a couple of years and by all accounts a fantastic principal and absolutely loved her job. she was sadly murdered yesterday, she was in a

meeting with one of the parents. >> and the school psychologist. >> steve: and the school psychologist and the vice principal and heard the commotion outside after apparently the broke through the glass and there she is right there. she had the kind of, approach to education that made it fun to learn. >> alisyn: yeah she was described as passionate extremely dedicated and she sent out a lot of tweets. one of the ones that struck me was on the first day of school this year, she talked about how excited she was to welcome the new kindergarteners in for their life long love of learning, she hoped to be able to stoke that. another tweet she sent out on safety and this is on october 17th she said safety first at sandy hook. it's a beautiful day for our annual evaluation drill. >> brian: a lot of times people would try to get into the building and even if you're bill o'reilly, you're not going to get in. that's what she said about the

new safety procedures in october. look, please understand with nearly 700 students and a thousand parents representing 500 families most parents will be asked to show identification, some might be insulted, but understand where i'm coming from because you don't want the wrong guy getting into the school. and that was the letter that they sent out when they started the new system, with you you wanted to get into the school, all the doors were locked start ago 9:30 in the morning, if you wanted to get in, you had to go to the front door, ring the door bell and they would be buzzed in. yesterday nobody buzzed in the guy with the guns, instead broke the glass and came in and confrontation and that just outside the office when he murdered the principal. >> and she was hired in 2010, already making impact on the school and she was joined by mary sherlock, 56 years old. been there 18 years and accord to go a family member, and she

is survived by a husband and older daughters in their 20's and heard the pops, and not special training, but when you hear the gun go off and you run to the gun. that's incredible instincts. >> steve: and also, we've been wondering why would this guy shoot and murder his mother and then go to the school? right? and the story has been, you know, she had been a teacher there or a teacher's aide or she had some sort of a relationship with it. and apparently we've just heard from the superintendent of schools up there, she was not on the staff. she did not have a relationship with the school. so, that makes his appearance at the school about 23 hours ago, even the more puzzling. and sandy hook. >> steve: she's not in the school's data base. >> alisyn: interesting, well, hopefully at the press conference, a reporter will have some answers. and we'll bring by dr. mark segal.

we've talked about the ptsd not just for the immediate kids in the school and immediate parents, but for all of us nationwide. people in california have e-mailed and people in washington state e-mailed how devastated they are by all of this. how do you start to address that? >> well, alisyn it spans outward. for the kids of the school according to the national center of ptsd, many are going to suffer for dramatic changes and when they play, feel aggressive and anticipate the next tragedy, it's just terrible, they're going to be nervous, they feel a premonition of something else coming on and may feel sadness, anxiety. very tough to get over. therapy will be required and even for kids in the neighborhood nowhere near the school, about 30, 40% of them will feel the symptoms of ptsd, have trouble sleeping, low self-esteem. trouble connecting with people and for the rest of us, it depends on how we handle this,

a lots of us are focused on the media and our representation on television. what are we telling our children, to be empathetic, to care about the victims and not focus so much on ourselves, we're talking about our kids schools and the chance of this happening again, less than 1% of all homicides in the united states occur around schools, less than 1%. it certainly doesn't seem that way this morning and certainly we have to report this the way they're reporting it, i don't want my children to be afraid. i want my children to care about the children out there. >> brian: you're saying, you can tell them flat out it's not going to happen to you, even though you never can be 100% sure, it doesn't happen every day, second worst massacre in the history of our country with education, and hit them with the stats. >> right, i like exactly the

way you put that. you have to answer their questions and you have to answer them honestly, look, they're looking how you're answering, are you worried, look like you're worried to send your child to school tomorrow, on monday. you should think those statistics out in your own brain first that it's knots going to happen the school. you have to project calm and confidence and caring, you want your kids to care for the victims and you care for them. >> brian: i want to talk about the shooter, the killer. is it possible, and getting inside his head, is it possible this guy is just evil? to sit in front of a kid and shoot at a child five years old in the head, is it that simple? >> brian with all of my medical training, i can look at things clinically and i can give you reason, but i absolutely refuse to look at a situation like this, where so many-- somebody allegedly cold-bloodedly guns down children there's an element of

evil. i'm not going to say a medical diagnosis, i don't believe there is just a disorder or an autistic-- this sounds like somebody is psychotic and dilutional and think the children represent something else. >> alisyn: isn't that had a personality disorder. >> much worse. a 20-year-old, i'm thinking schizophrenic, bipolar disorder. somebody was out of touch completely with rehe alt, but that doesn't let that person off the hook, alisyn, plenty of people like that are not going around shooting people. >> steve: a good point. if you're just joining us, we're awaiting a press conference and the authorities in connecticut are releasing the information that they gathered overnight and dr. segal, you know, the last 23 years have been really hard for 20 sets of parents they put their kids in front door of that school, yesterday

morning about this time and they remained onned floor overnight. and it's, you know, and for the police to say, tell us what your child was wearing when they went to school, that's so hard for a parent and for the parents watching right now, you know, i've got kids who went to school after columbine and every time there was another school shooting they would just freak out. they'd hear about it at school and they worried that's going to happen to them, even though, you know, we did discuss what we're supposed to do. kids worry. >> and i can't imagine the parents having the courage, and the idea of putting your kids' car seat in the trunk and knowing you're never going to lose it. i have three children and i can't imagine what it's like to lose one of my children and face the cameras and go through a criminal investigation and you know, it's just, this is the greatest tragedy. >>. >> brian: on top of that, too, and sympathy, but the dad, peter finds outs from reporters that it was his son

that was the assailant and quickly rolled up his window and went into the house and you just wonder and the same thing i thought about with aurora and gabby giffords, how much do the parents know and how much do they know what a danger their son ended up being. >> that's a take home, brian. you wonder how much help we're getting in the country. on medication and was there enough mental health. >> alisyn: and doctor one last thing in terms of the children, if your kids today have heard anything or seen anything and they ask about it, less is better, but you don't have to give them long philosophical discussions or explanations. answer in one sentence answers. >> certainty, and answer with certainty. be careful about letting them see this over and over.

>> and ron wheeler is with us via satellite. >> we're hopping to get more questions ans morning by the state police and the local police there. what's the number one thing you think they're going to be able to tell us at 8:40 in the morning. >> what we're going to hear in the press conference, tell us how many rounds were fired, probably. how many weapons even though we've heard it's probably two weapons use adden they know that for a fact now and they're going to tell us whether any of the victims were targeted in this shooting and the other victims were collateral victims. we're going to hear those kinds of things and find out at this press conference, whether or not this individual left any notes. we haven't heard that yet, but could have left a note i'm talking about the shooter. whether or not he had a facebook page, what was on it. what is on his computer and maybe not specific details what was on his computer, but we're going to hear those kinds of things, what we need

right now is closure. the families need closure, they need to know why this guy do what he did and why did he in fact target this particular school. i thought it was interesting, steve. a few minutes ago when brian told us and shared with us the news that this guy, his mother may have not even been on the payroll there at the school. as you know, everybody has been talking about that, so when he said that i thought to myself okay, then there is another reason then why this guy selected that school and maybe it's not his mother and that's what we have to figure out. >> right. we're saying that she's not currently on the payroll, but could have been as year or the year before. and also part of the story that i read and i cannot remember the publication, is that she quit to spend more time with her son who was to say the least, a handful. and according to the neighbors they knew he was a handful. >> you know, i'm wondering if this guy used to go back and forth up to that school a lot and maybe the school encouraged the mother to spend more time with him at the home and maybe that ticked this guy

off. in a sense that kind of made sense. there had to be some reason, brian, even though she may have have not been currently on the payroll, and why he decided to go yesterday. and that's another question, why yesterday? why not a week ago, maybe getting the ammunition, calmo, flak jacket. these are questions that everybody, including the families need to know and need to know right away. >> alisyn: i have a question about how the police will handle the police conference, because there be arguably not be a criminal investigation, because the shooter killed himself so they don't need to be keeping things close to their vest in terms of information about him. will that make the police less ham strung at this press conference? will they be able to give the public much more information than they would if they had somebody in custody right now? >> yes and no. let me quickly explain what i mean by that alisyn. this is a criminal investigation, yes, we do know that the shooter, alleged shooter shot and killed himself.

what we don't know, alisyn, whether or not there was anybody affiliated with this guy that still may be out there. we don't know that so the police have to be a little cautious, alisyn in terms of how much information they give to the general public. they'll share a lot more information, just so you i don't, share a lot more information with the deseceden s decedents' families than us. and it could be weeks, or months. >> i'm looking at the newtown patch there, the local newspaper and said at this point any kind of a motive is murky, unclear. with regarding the press conference at that we're supposed to happen 45 minutes ago and still waiting for it. it says that the police are working backwards to piece together the why's behind the shooting. explain that, would you, working backwards? >> yes, in every criminal investigation, guys, good information you always want to work backwards. you never make assumptions, if you make assumptions that means you're working forward,

you think this is what happened. when you work backwards you're trying to trace this guy's life where was he at the night before the shooting occurred? who was he talking to? they have his cell phone and every off his cell phone and calling those folks and the fbi is at these folks' houses and that's what they mean, that's the best way to try to find some understanding to find why this guy did what he did. >> the last question before we go to the press conference and bring in a reporter from the newtown patch, from your experience, when a press conference is 45 minutes late after a horrific crime like we just saw perpetrated, does it usually mean that something is unfolding? >> yes and no again, brian. and i apologize for that answer, yes and no, but the reason i'm saying that, i wouldn't read too much in the fact that the presser is taking a little bit of time. i think the only reason the presser is taking a little bit more time because they have to

be careful now, guys, they have to be very careful in terms of how much information they give to the general public. why? because this is still a criminal investigation and i believe the police department, the fbi and the prosecutor in that community there, they're going through all the information to decide exactly what they want to release and wouldn't read too much into the fact quite yet this is taking a while. >> alisyn: thank you, standing by and we'll talk to you after the press conference. our next guest was on the ground after hearing the news, newtown local editor for the patch newspaper. aaron, good morning to you. tell us what happened when you arrived on the scene yesterday. >> first thing arriving, it was a surprisingly organized chaos, there were parents everywhere just waiting to hear what happened and to try to find out what had happened with their children, if their children were okay. and parents standing around trying to console each other.

and after a time, the police start today evacuate the children, they were brought at one class at a time in order to account for everyone, and we were able to see a lot of families reunited, a lot of joy, tempered joy as they realized that other families around them weren't being rue united. and later in the day we saw more parents brought in and subsequently leaving without their children. >> brian: i've got to ask you a question. if you don't know that's fine. so many contradictory written by reputable sources. first off, can you tell me if his mother was actually associated with the school at all? if so, when? >> i can't tell you exactly when. we know she was at some point a teacher with the school. and as you heard, we've heard as well, she no longer works there officially, but at some point she was with the school system. >> brian: but was a teacher or could she have been an aide or

just a substitute? >> now, i believe teacher, but i'm not 100% confident on that. >> all right. aaron, we understand that the principal, who was tragically murdered yesterday, had recently installed that buzzer system where if you wanted to get in the school after school started you had to get buzzed in. it sounds like this adam lanza actually broke the window. do you know the extent of the precautions that the school had made in advance of the massacre yesterday? >> well, it's similar to a lot of the safety measures being installed in a lot of schools in the area. and across the inauguration. buzzers are becoming more and more traditional way of making sure that children are safe. but, as we saw yesterday, there's no way to keep everyone safe 100% of the time. people like this will find a way. >> alisyn: and if someone wants to break in, he just broke in. aaron, have you at your paper

been able to flesh out any more pictures of the shooter, of adam. what do we know about his background? >> at this point, no, we haven't been able to get any new information that isn't already out there and we are heaping to get a little more from the press conference we're waiting on. >> brian: should be interesting. and give us an idea the people of newton-- newtown, i should say, to have two handguns and a rifle registered legally to someone. is there a lot of hunting going on in that area. >> there's certainly hunting in connecticut and this area, it's very wooded. there's a large deer population and we have controlled deer hunts every year, and gun ownership is not necessarily unusual in this area. and that said, it's also not particularly prevalent either. >> and newtown local editor of the patch. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. and now we're joined on the set by the security expert as

well, harry, when we spoke a couple of hours ago. >> right. >> steve: the news from the new york times had been that apparently this guy came to the front door and because he was the son after woman who had worked in the school he got buzzed in. and as it turns out that's not story. apparently he appeared had camouflage on and guns in his pocket and broke through the glass. it sounds like this particular school did have an action plan. >> yes, it definitely did. and i've got to tell you how impressed i am with that third grade teacher. >> alisyn: my goodness. >> i could not have taught her any better. >> steve: kids up on the toilet and locked themselves in the bathroom. >> right. >> she doesn't realize how much of a hero she is. she kept that door locked. the shooter tried to enter the bathroom, all right, it appears and he didn't have the forethought to shoot through the door. he saw that as a way of

impeding what he was doing, all rights, and decided to turn around and find an easier target. all right and that's what happened. and that teacher, is she's a hero and should be very proud of herself. >> as is the music teacher, too, something very similar and heard banging on the door. >> in terms of this crime, is it from your experience, almost impossible to imagine someone killing in this, in this cold bloolded way, for the first time and then killing themselves? is it possible to see this happening, that that happened one day with no criminal record? >> right, it happens all the time and a long time ago when i was a detective, i stopped trying to figure out why people do things. it's just totalsly insane. i can't see somebody standing there with a classroom full of children and sitting there and executing them and looking at their beautiful faces. and it's just something that you can't think about. now? and as a detective, you know, i'm used to seeing bodies, you

know, of adults all the time, but you know, when it's a child, you never get over it. that's something you don't get used to. i remember the first dead child i saw when i first became a cop in 1978-- >> i wanted to ask you about that. i want today ask you about that. how can the newtown police ever be mentally prepared for what they encounter when they ran into the school yesterday. what happened? the newtown police take psychological training and be composed at a scene like that. >> not that i'm aware of. we never received any kind of training. now what they'll do, probably have those police officers speak to people to help them deal with this. can you imagine the first responding officer to walk into that charm and see all of those children did he understand? i mean, i can't -- i can't fathom that at all. >> and in three minutes the entire operation, does that surprise you? >> i tell what you, the most

dangerous people in an active shooter incidents is the first two and three minutes. when i was listening to the police radio online it appears the shooting was done when the police already responded. >> steve: it was that fast. and today, look at some of the blogs are already talking about, do we need better security, do we need to control guns? and you know, and that's, that just happens in certain parts of the internet. >> right. >> steve: when you look at 9/11, i mean, 3000 people wind up dying not because of guns, but because of bombs. >> and that's a debate about that. >> steve: there needs to be a debates about the culture. >> without a doubt, without a doubt. and, but you've got to put the blame where it belongs, evil on the shooter, the bad guy. evil. >> exactly. >> brian: right, but in terms of having a glock and another weapon, i'm not a big gun guy,

i don't know-- anded big game rifle if i told you they were located in connecticut, does that remind you of something, a typical of connecticut. >> i'm sure there's hunters in connecticut. >> steve: they're legal guns. >> the weapons are legal the mere fact that this kid had access to these weapons, all right, if he had some kind of psychological problem is a problem for me. how come the guns weren't locked up. we don't know for sure they were or weren't. >> he lived in the house with his mother. >> and probably registered to his mom and these are questions na need to be answered and somebody who by many accounts today does seem to have been mentally disturbed and his brother described a personality disorder, why he would have access to these and that would mean-- an investigation would start. >> there's going to be a lot of questions regarding this and trying to find out why this happened. i mean this, guy, it will be a note, did he have a manifesto,

all right? and you know, all the psychologists and psychiatrists are going to look at this and try to-- if this guy didn't leave a note, all right, if there wasn't any sign, but i'm sure there were signs this guy was a lunatic? are we going to know why the man did this. he's dead now. >> brian: if you're a first time killer, and were drugs involved? were you almost a walking zombie, that out of your mind. would that surprise you there were legal drugs involved? >> that wouldn't surprise me, apparently had some types of psychological issues and on some type of medication, maybe the medication m a side effects for him to act like a complete lunatic and do something like this. the mere fact that this guy woke up that morning and shot his mother and decided to go to the school and kill

children, it's just beyond-- premeditated or not. >> i think it's pre he meditated. i don't think he just woke up that morning, he had the whole outfit, he had the weapons and woke up. and forethought to shoot his mother, gets in his car and make his way to the school and what i think broke glass to get into the school. all right? and just went to the office and shots up the office with the teachers there and then he said, well, let me go to a kindergarten classroom or class and shoot some children, i mean. >> and he knew exactly what he was doing. >> i think he knew exactly what he was doing. >> and the fact that he had to break the glass to get into the school and so many-- we talked a little ago, apparently somebody in the office pushed down the button on the public address system and people throughout the building heard a scream and gunshots and started locking doors and then, you salute some of the teachers as heroes because they did exactly the right thing. in the face after guy with a

bunch of guns. >> yeah. >> and they stepped up. >> an evil man with guns. >> right. >> brian: what should schools all around the country -- this happened in an inner city they'd go well, that's why they have medal detectors and security and joe clark, everything he did to rein in a bad area and turn around a community. with it happening in newtown, connecticut you know people are going to respond and principals are going to be respond and they might be having meetings today. what would you hope they take out of the meetings? >> we're going to go back and take a look how everything happened. all right? it appears to me, he had to break the glass to get in. aen so maybe they need to reinforce the door glass and if this guy couldn't have gotten out of the building, this might not have happened and the police might respond if they saw somebody outside and we wouldn't have the tragedy that we had today. all right? and we also probably need to reinforce the classrooms a little bit.

yeah, and that's pretty cost effective. >> and right, exactly, and make it a safe room and put some really good doors like i said the first two or three minutes are most important and when most the killing is done. we've got to be able to hold off that guy for a police response time. if we're able to do that, we could save lifers. >> of course, you're suggesting security expert. >> correct. >> alisyn: and our doctors and psychologist have told us, coverage more and more sadly, tragically on the news, it's extremely rare so to have every school beefing up the security and reinforced glass, is that the right thing or will bad guys always find-- >> figure a way in. >> figure a way in. >> the target. >> they specifically go for a soft target, an unprotected target. so, maybe, in guy went specifically to this school because of what i am a hearing from some of the people you have speaking here, because he had some kind of connection with that school with the mother.

all right? so therefore, this was his target. if he could not have gotten in there, where was he going to go from there? shot himself in front of the school? i don't know, i don't have a crystal ball, but the whole thing, now, is that the school should take some type of action at least something, you know? if not apparently this school looks like it was very prepared, and the teachers really knew how to react. >> it's a double edged sword. and cutting budgets and aren't looking to bolster the glass and the kids, might not happen. >> harry hauck, a former new york city police department, expert as well. all right it's nine o'clock in new york city. >> we begin the hour we're awaiting a live press conference out of newtown, connecticut and expect to learn new details about the victims in the horrible tragicer and the shooter who took the lives of 26 people.

including 20 children. as you see, everyone thought it was going to start an hour ago, we're going live to the presser as soon as it starts, this is unfolding, a very live investigation, a lot of moving parts and i imagine it's going to be substantive and that's what we're waiting for, because they could see thousands of members of the national press. i also see that there's prime ministers and presidents from around the globe reaching out and expressing their support in america and the horror over in the u.k., david cameron as well as the president australia. >> steve: it happened 23 hours and 30 minutes ago when adam lanza, 20 years olds walked into na school after he broke the glass out after he murdered his mother and shot dead 20 children and six adults and heard great stories of heroism. things that teachers and members of that particular sandy hook elementary school, the things that they did, a lot of them did the right

stuff. unfortunately, this was a guy intent on killing. >> alisyn: we'll get to the stories about the teachers and the students there, but first let's just talk about who adam lanza is, because of course, everyone wants to know if there was a spark, a sign where somebody could have seen what was going to come. he's 20 years old. parents divorced in 2009. he's lived alone with his mother in newtown, connecticut and his dad lived in stanford and brother. and his brother 24 years old. ryan, lived in hoboken. he believed his brother was somewhere on the autism spectrum, might have had as perfecti perfecti asperger's. and he was a computer nerd and

love video technology. >> gamer. >> alisyn: some numbers said strange. >> found him strange. as early as 7th grade we used to carry knapsacks to school and he'd carry a briefcase and he was painfully show and feared somebody might talk to him. and a quote that stood out to me in the daily news, one of the classmates who happens to be his neighbor now, as horrible as this is, i can't say i am surprised. he should burn in hell. so i can't say i'm surprised indicates that not only was this guy basically shy, but painfully dangerous. >> steve: and he looked dangerous yesterday when he arrived at the school, black camouflage and semi automatic pistols and riffle as well. just imagine if you lived nearby and your sister is is in the third or fourth grade at that school and you hear gunshots. well, that was the story of a

young man who's, you know, brother to a little girl who went to that school. he heard the gunshots yesterday at about this time and ran for the school to see if his sister was okay. he joined us about two hours ago right here on "fox & friends" and here is a look at their story. >> she was in art class and the intercom came on, where she heard a scream and a bullet. and that's when the school went into lockdown and what ultimately happened was because she was in the art class, they locked the doors, but one of the doors in the art class did not lock according to what she said. so, yeah, so they had to go into some sort of small room, a closet, i'm not exactly sure how she detail it had, but they had to go into a small room and stay quiet. >> alisyn: and he was happy to report that his sister was okay and obviously, very shaken up and the long-term ramifications will be with this. we had governor mike huckabee

on a short time ago and he's taking heat online on the internet and he came out and said part this have is because we don't have enough religion in our culture. he was explained about what he thinks about our culture and how it could lead to this. and keep it here. >> yesterday i was on neil cavuto and he asked me, now where was god and i said we've systematically removed him from our culture and from our schools and i've been barraged by people who said if we've h had-- if we as a cultures decide we don't want values and say some things are always right, always wrong. when we divorce ourselves from a basic sense of what we would call, i would say collective morality we agree on certain principles to be true always, then we create a culture, not

that it specifically creates this crime, it doesn't. but it creates an atmosphere in which evil and violence are removed from our sense of responsibilities. >> brian: there was a lot of values and a lot of great action under pressure that we did see yesterday. because they were pressed into action. the town of newtown, i find fascinating. it's about 20,000 people there, 25,000 people, only 60 square miles, it's a relatively affluent community. 108,000 is the average income there. 45% of the households include kids under 18 and when you talk about ancillary damage and collateral, psychological damage a lot of families explaining to do and two-thirds of the residents are underage 44. young emerging. >> alisyn: you move there because you have kids there and want to go to the schools and dedicated teachers and principals like the ones we saw yesterday and know your kids will be safe for that, and when you send them off to school in the morning and they

go to kindergarten. >> there's a great column in the new york daily news this morning and one of the columnists went over to the blue colony diner there in newtown and a waitress told a sorry she was talking to one of her regular customers who had been talking to his good friend whose child was murdered yesterday and he said his buddy was unconsolable, obviously, didn't want to go on living, said he wanted to jump off a bridge and didn't want to live anymore without his little girl especially at christmas time. that dad just wanted to die. >> brian: right, instead of going out and shopping for christmas presents, a lot of the families are shopping for something to bury their children in and it's unbelievable the channing of events and how quick something could turn around. >> alisyn: when governor huckabee was on and talking about the culture. it hearts to make sense that it happens. we know that it happens in the united states more and elsewhere, something is

happening in the united states with school shootings. school shootings we talked about with governor huckabee in 1998 jonesboro, arkansas, everybody remembers that one. it felt like something unusual that was shocking and in those 20 years, you know, that have passed, 15 years, it seems that there's more and more r prevalent. the conversation has to begin about what was happening that makes primarily young boys, they were that one in arkansas, and adam yesterday lanza was 20 years old and something is happening with young men, young boys and school shootings. >> in that case, in arkansas, perhaps parenting. >> perhaps culture. >> and rod wheeler continues with us now. ali is write. is it the culture, the guns, is it parents? what do you say.

>> i do don't political things, guns don't kill people, people kill people and knives-- i don't think it's time to focus on that type of a situation. what we need to focus on is the mental health in this country. we in law enforcement are going to continue to respond and teachers are going to continue to teach and schools are going to continue to go to-- students are going to continue to go to schools. the schools are safe and teachers prepare for these type of horrific events to guard against what that school teacher did yesterday, a hero definitely. i don't think it's appropriate to point the finger right now saying this is the cause. i think what we need to do is start addressing some personal issues that people may be having. >> rod, what you're saying is we have to identify dangerous people and how do you do that without infringing on people's

personal rights? >> that's interesting, brian, you asked me early. and i get asked that a lot. and some people say, isn't that profiling? in 2012 we can't worry about that. if you have an individual and that's so important, that's showing signs, they're isolated from everybody else, and making strange comments and a connection with weapons. look, do what you want to do, but you have to let somebody know that. let the experts come in and police departments, counselors, talk with the persons and these are the individuals committing the acts and at the same time we have an obligation to keep our school safe and i think they're relatively safe, guys. >> of course, of course, and just the-- and an incident like this that strikes at the heart of the countries, because it is so unusual and just when you think you can never hear something more horrifying than virginia tech, more than columbine, the idea that this one is even because of the-- that they were

kindergarteners, they were five years old, they were six years old, somehow, a crazed gunman can find something that's more evil and horrible. >> and there's a story out there, rod, that says that this young adam apparently suffered-- had some sort of personality disorder, but one of the newspapers today is saying that he had a condition where he could not feel pain. and there's a pictures of him when he was a younger man. and in fact, when he was on the baseball team they report, everybody had to be careful, he didn't fall because he could get hurt and not feel it. so, i mean, you know, there's a whole bunch of unanswered questions regarding his background that we need to fill in. although at this press conference, which is getting, you know, we were supposed to start at 71 minutes ago, they still haven't gotten things going and what do you make of the delay, what anything, rod? >> steve, i think we're going to continue as we go along we'll learn more about this

monster, this guy who committed this. we'll hear more about the past. and don't read too much into the reason that the press conference is delayed. they're trying to provide us with information that we need to have. and the parents of the decedents, probably want to go over all the information about each parents before they go out there. and i wouldn't read too much in it. we'll hear a lot more about shooter and he left-- and didn't hear it in the press conference, but i think he left us a note or something. some indication that he was going to do what he did yesterday. there has to be something. >> and seeing he had to buy the body armor and planned the attack and the classroom and no one questioned his intellect. people are saying, he knew he grew up in the area and mom possibly worked at the school. and there is another report unconfirmed and relayed from law enforcement officials under the agreement of staying

anonymous that he might have gone to that school as a student. so, maybe that something to do with it and something else struck me when you were answering that question, rod, when he was in the system as a kid he was in control and didn't kill anybody. and when you're an adult you get to go on your own and get mortgages and not to be accountable and gets your own apartment and when you get away from that supervision is when the danger kicks in. >> exactly. well, maybe, brian, that's the reason he killed his mother. and dr. keith ablow and they're the ones that figure that stuff out. all we can do is figure out how to remain safe going forward and we have to look at each child's life that's taken and we're going to continue to live that child's life for them so another child couldn't be harmed going forward. >> we thank you very much for joining us. we've been looking for the last hour at 15 minutes at the

press conference that's supposed to take place. we still haven't gotten the two minute warning so we're going to step aside and you'll see all of it in its entirety here on the fox news channel. >> alisyn: and as dr. bodden says, forensic pathologist can tell a lot so he'll join us next. i had enough of feeling embarrassed about my skin. [ designer ] enough of just covering up my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i decided enough is enough. ♪

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press conference out of newtown, connecticut, it looks like there may be some movement there. obviously, this is where police will come and give us any new details they've been able to unearth about the shooter in this tragedy, as well as the victims and 26 lives lost at this school, including 20 young children. >> brian: we'll go there as soon as it starts even if it means stopping mid sentence or mid break. dr. baden, they've moved the bodies out. and when the press went away, the bodies moved out and for the families. what does it mean. >> the school is locked down and the investigators can go throughout the school and do all they have to do and take a few more days to be able to document everything, and meanwhile, the families know that their loved ones have been identified. they've identified them and probably moved them out to the medical examiner's office in

farmington, connecticut, and the bodies will be released from there when they're finished with whatever additional has to be done. >> steve: it must have been excruciating for 20 sets of parents to have waited outside at that school for practically 24 hours, if the bodies were moved last night. >> in the firehouse where they were amassing and for them, come on, we know my child is dead, why do i have to wait. >> well, they have to identify each child to make sure the wrong child doesn't go and now that that's been done, they'll soon have the bodies because the bodies have to be examined. >> and the medical examiner? >> and that will be where they'd be and released from there is the usual way it's done, unless they had x-ray facilities brought down to the school because they want to remove the bullets. >> alisyn: dr. baden, everything you're talking about is so technical and it's so, kind of clinical and

medical, i know that's your job, but this is about the heart break of parents and particularly given that we know who the shooter was, there's not going to be a trial for the shooter because he took his own life. you have pointed out that there will still be trials because you predict, having been around things like this before. >> right. >> alisyn: that there will be lawsuits, but also sounds like the school did everything right. they did have security in place and did do safety drills and the principal did the right thing. how, sometimes horrible things happen and there's no lawsuit that's going to fix it. >> that's right, but at the same time the police and the medical examiners have a certain protocol they have to document because they know a year, two, three years from now, issues can come up and if they haven't made the documentation it's going to be worse for the families having to live through it again, having to exhume a body, for example, would be terrible so they have to get everything

from the remains as much as possible and then release the body. the way they're doing it, they're doing it very quickly and hopefully, boy monday and tuesday there'll be some-- >> issues. >> bodies released. >> brian: and do you have to bring the federal government into this? you said farmington is where they're going in connecticut. are they going to need some help? >> no, no, the medical examiners are. >> brian: they have handle 26, 28 people? >> yes, they can handle it. the issue of homicide to do at the school, then they might need equipment, but they will everything in connecticut as i said. the medical examiner, dr. karr ver is a very competent guy. >> steve: we're hoping to hear more details, the press conference we're told is going to start momentarily. >> alisyn: after this unspeakable tragedy what, will happen next in newtown? we'll check with peter johnson, he's on the ground and talking to people there.

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>> all right. welcome back, everyone, we are he awaiting this press conference live out of newtown, connecticut. we expect to learn new details about this horrific tragedy that took the lives of 26 people, including 20 children at this school yesterday. >> and we're going to go to that presser as soon as it starts, whenever it starts at any moment, but until then, newtown, coming together. last night to remember the lives that were lost there. the young lives as well as the grown-ups said they tried to find comfort in faith and in god and for that story we now go to peter johnson, jr. who is live there in newtown, connecticut, peter good morning. >> good morning, it was a sad

beautiful sunrise in newtown, connecticut. from the peshpesh perish, and tears in people's eyes and my daughter and i let candles for the adults and lives lost in this town. our guest is the monsignor white. >> good morning. >> tell us about the pain in the town, one young children was to be an angel, at st. lima and another you had to break his sister died you had to break the news and tell us what the parishioners are feeling on this day? >> this community is an incredible community and people choose to live here it's all about families and being together and supporting each other. this has just broken the heart of the town to see the 20

incident children and adults senselessly taken from us. the spirit in this town is very, very heavy and the reality of this event is really starting to settle in. and having been with many of the families throughout the day and early this morning, you realize that life has changed forever. and you hope that out of all of this, this bad, some kind of goodwill come. and you know, pray god with faith and with hope be able to support and sustain each other. >> in terms of faith and hope, what do you tell -- what did you tell a little boy about the death of his sister at the hands of a madman? >> you know, i started talking with him and he said to me, you know, i don't have anybody to play with anymore, you've lost my best friend. and i said to him, you know, that god's going to send you some wonderful new friends. you don't have to be afraid and you'll always have your sister in your heart and i said to him, you don't have to worry because she's very safe because she's with god and we talked a little about what heaven was like, and he realized that she was going to

be happen, if a she was going to be safe, but it was shortly after this, that he broke down into tears. >> reporter: and it's about safety and love and i know you've decided and parish has decided to go forward with a live nativity pageant and at 5:30, a man will come into the church and stay that there is a star over the stable and the church will proceed out to the stable to a live nativity scene and this town was so proud they were getting a camel for the nativity scene and look at the baby jesus, when your parishioners look at the baby jesus in tkresh. what does it say. >> we're not just looking for one star, we'll look for 20 stars and the light shining over christ is going to shine over the family as well. and these children are angels now. when they reflect on the

christ child born he did bring us hope in the worst times he's ever present to us and i'm hoping the message people can take tonight, there's still a reason to hope and live on and families of other children that they have to raise and hoping that the strength that comes from the christ child will be for these families and with these parents. >> reporter: a teacher said yesterday, one of the children said as she was protecting them from what she believed to be certain death, i don't want to die, i just want to have christmas. so the innocence of these children are articulated in that statement. this is a tough thing for you and you're a strong man and you're one of the great priests, according to my friend cardinal egan in the state of connecticut who is the bishop here. how do you stay strong and how do you get the message out in a way that helps people? >> you know, i'm taking a lot of strength from these parents. you know, if--

as i was wearing them sit there yesterday and they were breaking down and horrible moments there was such a bond and affection and love for the children and each other and you draw a lot of strength from that, even in their lives of greatest weakness and what st. paul tells us, the weakness and find our strength. my faith was not shaken by this. my faith in humanity is always shaken when things like this happen and the children can't trust being in a place safe and happy and someone who has severe issues of this man and come in and take that away from them. we're very worried about the children's fears and anxieties after yesterday, but hoped christmas season will renew some of that and after they return to school they will he' feel better and a little bit safer. >> reporter: well, this community is in good hands would you. and on behalf of america, thank you for doing what you're doing and all wish to the people of newtown, a

feeling safe and at peace in this season. thank you very much monsignor, you know, martin luther king said, death is not one valley, but some of the people i spoke to in newtown this morning, but we can hope against hope that the light of christmas signs through on this beautiful little town that was attacked by pain and fears and tragedy on this day. back to you guys in the studio. >> steve: all right. peter monsignor, thank you very much. you're absolutely right. ten days until christmas. >> alisyn: well, we have brand new information about the shooter and his chirelationship with his brother and family and explore businehis backgroun when we come back.

>> all right. we're waiting a live press conference at newtown, connecticut, scheduled tore eight o'clock and learning a brand new start time. >> steve: we hope it starts within the next half hour and we'll bring it to you live whenever it does happen. >> alisyn: first we want to go to peter doocy live in newtown, connecticut all night and brand new information, peter, what have you found

out. >> reporter: alisyn, again you mentioned that the press conference has been delayed by about an hour and a half, but the last we were able to talk to someone from the local police department, they told us as of about 7:30 this morning, that some of the bodies had been removed from sandy hook elementary school and that some of the bodies had not. i mentioned earlier that there was a makeshift morgue built somewhere inside sandy hook elementary, where authorities went it take photographs of the young victims, to show the photographs to the parents, for positive identification and we heard, again, the last official word that we had from the police two hours ago was that some of the bodies still were inside of sandy hook elementary school. now, something else that we heard that is new, that some evidence is inside the school and some evidence is outside and we're told that some of the inside evidence includes firearms in addition to the three that we knew about yesterday. so, we knew that he had two

pistols and a rifle that they found in his car, we're now told there were additional firearms found on school grounds and we don't know when and as for the evidence outside, we're told the vehicles and that the vehicles include the suspect's vehicles, so, obviously, the suspect vehicles and maybe some of the victims vehicles, but we've also been told by some neighbors who heard the gunshots and headed over there, their cars are stuck in the area that's locked down and just trying to sort out whose car goes where and if the people who the car owners survived yesterday's attack. authorities also are now saying na it appears that adam lanza shot out the glass next to the front door of the school, to gain entry. ng a lot about how secure the school was. i talked to another teacher from the district, not from this specific school, but somebody who is very, very

familiar with the security protocol and she said as soon as school starts if anybody wants to get in, including parents or siblings, they, since all the doors are locked, they need to basically wave to a camera that beams a picture into the front office and then someone in the front office needs to buzz that person in and then that person needs to go right to the front office. we're hearing now that authorities say it appears this gunman shot out that glass. we also talked to a library clerk. we're going to have some new sound at the top of the ten o'clock hour, she said, she was with some fourth graders in the back of the school, but she said her understanding is that the gunman entered the school and then skipped the first classroom and then did most of his shooting in the two classrooms next to the first one. so went right past the first one for some reason according to this library clerk, her name is mary anne jacob and just did the shooting in the second two classrooms, we also

are hearing from her that when they evacuated the students to the firehouse, they all lined up and they all lined up by grade and behind their teachers so they could do a head count and it was then that the teachers realized that about 10:30, eleven o'clock in the morning that two entire first grade classes were missing. and this library clerk, mary anne says that they were at the firehouse, which is where the families came to claim their children and realized when they were lining up by grade behind their teachers that two entire first grade classes were not accounted for except for a few kids, again, we're expecting to hear more information whenever this press conference starts hopefully in the next few minutes, back to you. >> brian: thanks a lot, peter. you wonder the role, did he in fact attend this school a grudge that this guy in his twisted mind was trying to avenge by doing this or

psychotic drugs playing a role in this. certainly, we still don't know a lot about what happened at the time of the shooting, but we're finding out more. >> alisyn: meanwhile, one of the sources is the library clerk that peter just mentioned, mary anne jacob and he she was inside the school the intercom button, pa system was pressed and alerted teachers something was terribly wrong in the front office, let's listen to her. >> the intercom went off as if they were going to make an announcement and we heard some noises and stuff and i thought somebody had hit the button by mistake and they were in the office and i called down there, and one of the secretaries answered the phone and said there was a shooting and then you become aware we started hearing the gunshots, so i yelled lockdown to the group in our room and ran across the hall. >> so it sounds like that

intercom did save some lives because people started to lock their doors. and with peter's information, earlier this morning we looked in the new york times, it says that the principal buzzed adam lanza in, not the case, he shot his way in by breaking the window and more than three guns we knew of. it's interesting we know the guns belonged to his mother and we don't know his experience with a gun. and if he went to a pistol range or anything like that. and a big gamer and apparently very accurate. is there a connection? no doubt people are going to be calling for a review of video game ratings, now. >> but he's 20 years old. >> exactly. >> brian: we're getting new information about adam lanza's brother, hoboken, new jersey, and he's getting hammer, and a lot of people thought originally, anna kooiman, that he was the killer. >> reporter: good morning to

everybody at home. we're hearing that the last several years were very rocky for the alleged shooter, 20-year-old adam lanza. back in 2006 his brother ryan lanza, 24 years old who lives in this apartment building here in hoboken, new jersey, went off to college while their parents' marriage was in shambles, ended in 2008. although ryan is not a suspect. his home was searched yesterday, along with computer and phone records. there was some confusion as to his identity, or as to the identity of the shooter, that's because adam lanza was carrying the i.d. of ryan lanza. we can only tell you that the fbi says they questioned the father, they questioned ryan and they're said to be in connecticut now, they were very cooperative and that's pretty much the latest here, as far as what they mentioned to the authorities about his demeanor, they said that he had a personality disorder of

some sort, was autistic, and ryan also told us he had not spoken with adam since 2010. on his facebook page were you talking about that, brian. he said i was at work, it wasn't me. you can just really imagine what he was going through, when people were thinking he was a mass murderer. back to you. >> brian: anna kooiman out in the field, thank you so much, finding out more about the the family the lanzas. >> steve: it's interesting the brothers hadn't apparently spoken in two years. >> and something was going on with adam. and talking about how to explain this to your children, if they happened to hear about it or seen it in a newspaper or television, and how do you tell them that things like this exist. and survival skills, what age is appropriate next.

>> two past the building, past the gym.

>> all right. sandy hook elementary school thought they were doing everything right and a new security system and they locked the front doors requiring visitors to get inside after school starts and tragically not enough for the 26 people who lost their lives. so, what else can schools do to prepare and protect themselves for a mass shooting scenario like this. >> alisyn: a former n.y.p.d. detective and a security expert. thanks so much for sticking around with us. of course, your perspective on this is as a security expert. we've heard others come on and say, this is very rare, you shouldn't have your kids obsess about this. this will only make your kids

nervous. you have a different take on that and you think you should prepare your kids for an emergency drill. how do you do that? >> exactly. and you know, and when i grew up as a little kid, i was playing shoot-em-up bang-bang cowboys in the park every night. the kids aren't doing that. they're out there playing the video games and things like that. if i was five, six years old, i would have known a little how to react how this happened. i would hit the deck because i watched on the tv shows i watched as a kid. but you know, the problem here is that it looks like this school was very prepared. all right. it looks like-- >> do you like the system, do you like the system? >> i like the system. could it be improved on? anything could be improved on. when it comes to me i'm looking at the best case scenario for you, these are the best things that we can do. this is what it's going to cost you and then look at what's cost effective for you.

>> steve: the new news this morning in the last hour or so is the fact that this guy, you know, he shot his way in. >> right. >> steve: he wasn't buzzed in. he shot through the glass and somehow opened the door. it's hard to harden the entire school. >> they can't protect the president of the united states 100%, and so we can't protect the school 100%, there's ways to slow the shooter down for the police response. >> alisyn: how young is too young for kids in your mind? can you teach a five, six-year-old what to do in an active shooter. >> sure, make it a game. when i was growing up, kindergartener, there was a soviet threat. >> duck and cover. >> under a desk or hide like this up against the wall. you can make it a game for the

kids and they love to play games and relate to something like this if it happens. >> you're talking about securing the door and maybe having a dead bolt so peefr school has an ability when the alarm goes off. >> right. >> they can quickly dead bolt the door and slow down the guy. the big question people have now, writing and tweeting us, would it be bet are to have somebody at that door armed in a small community like newtown? >> again, best case scenario, i say yes, now why? because it's our children and not going to-- listen, we've got police officers, security people out on the street every day, all over this country, that are armed. and some people are afraid that even they're armed. all right? and nothing bad happens. all right? every once in a while we have some kind after problem, all right? but i personally don't think there's anything wrong with having an armed guard and-- >> and perhaps the local police force. >> right, or a local police force or somebody who is professional trained. i would not have them in uniform, all right? >> all right.

and harry, thank you very much for being with us, a great job. >> so many people are wondering what is happening to the culture of america, does this say something about our culture? have we gotten too far away from prayer? that's father jonathan morris' suggestion, let's talk to him next. um... uh... um... hm... umm... uh... oh ! the windows phone 8x by htc on verizon. it features easy to navigate live tiles that are simple to customize. just pin what matters most right to your homescreen. exclusively with data sense-- a feature that makes the most of you plan. only on verizon. prego?! but i've bought ragu for years.

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>> conversations surrounding this horrible school tragedy will at some points turn to security and psychology and of course guns and today we are talking about god and we're

turning to our religious correspondent, jonathan morris, wrote a book dealing with tragedy. you've been through it many times before. >> isn't it amaze to go see how people naturally turn to prayer and god in tough, tough times and that's understandable because i believe that at the very core of who we are. it's wonderful, also, to see the president of the united states feeling very comfortable quoting scripture in a tragic time like this, that's good, that's normal, that's wonderful. i think we should all feel just pass comfortable to be expressing our belief in god, our believe in religion even in the good time. >> it's the guy that needs god and can't blame the person, perfect town, idyllic school and teachers and the guy that needs you is shot in the head no doubt. >> that's an invitation for all of us to be going after

and helping people who are obviously off or obviously-- we're going to hear that this was a senseless act. yes, it was in a certain sense, but also we know from yus looking at the circumstances, a the these cases, it's senseless, but there's a certain formula here. there's almost always mental health issues. there's also personal responsibility in most of these kay cases, somebody decides to take their anger out on somebody else. there's a third element, we've been hearing about, there's evil. evil is spiritual force and affects us at the core of who we are. that's why would he he need pastors, mothers, fathers, communities, to make sure we're not marginalizing people who are already marginalizing themselves and we need to find

them before that happens. >> alisyn: isn't that contradictory, if we say the people are mentally ill and open our hearts and put our arms around them, but they're evil. that makes us less compassionate if they're evil. >> and we as human beings psycho so mattic, we're both emotional, spiritual and physical. yes, somebody can be mentally ill, but also because nr' spiritual be indeclined to evil, right and to act out about it and that's why all of these things, building spirituality, loving, being involved with our kids in this way. let me give you an example, sometimes we talk about facebook and twitter and social media can isolate ourselves, when i put those comments on my facebook and twitter today, hundreds of people started writing in and offering prayers, what we can do is be very close to our kids.

hug them, love them and also be unafraid to pray with them. >> father jonathan morris. >> and if you can't talk to them. sometimes you have to tweet them. >> alisyn: thank you, father john. we'll be right back. you won't take my life. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the fight. and we're winning. at chevron nigeria, we haven't had a reported case in 12ears.

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